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Refereeing question

Jobs for the boys. Other than that not bad ideas, need to make a professional body to look after refereeing and get away from the pathetic culture of not admitting mistakes
 
tredman said:
Jobs for the boys. Other than that not bad ideas, need to make a professional body to look after refereeing and get away from the pathetic culture of not admitting mistakes
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I fundamentally disagree with most things that Keith Hackett says about referees, but where does he mention "jobs for the boys."?
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
I fundamentally disagree with most things that Keith Hackett says about referees, but where does he mention "jobs for the boys."?
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That's my interpretation of why Jones et al need to be given new jobs. They are probably on daft contracts and booting them out for incompetence would be unthinkable for anyone on the inside.

As part of the current set up you would be against change. However anyone can see the current situation is broken, ref makes a mistake and it can't be revisited because he 'saw' it? On what planet would that make sense?
 
tredman said:
That's my interpretation of why Jones et al need to be given new jobs. They are probably on daft contracts and booting them out for incompetence would be unthinkable for anyone on the inside.

As part of the current set up you would be against change. However anyone can see the current situation is broken, ref makes a mistake and it can't be revisited because he 'saw' it? On what planet would that make sense?
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Sorry Tredman, I now realise what you mean. My mistake. My first glance at what Hackett said made me wonder why he wanted referees removed from the list, but then become coaches. I do not think it is so much jobs for the boys, but more a case of wanting experienced referees or ex referees coaching the new crop of officials. Hacketts big mistake is wanting referees deemed not good enough for level one games to be suitable to coach level one officials.

The current system is far from perfect, but all aspects of officiating are constantly reviewed, and improvements are always being sought. Regarding a decision not being reviewed, that is not the responsibility of the referees association.
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
Sorry Tredman, I now realise what you mean. My mistake. My first glance at what Hackett said made me wonder why he wanted referees removed from the list, but then become coaches. I do not think it is so much jobs for the boys, but more a case of wanting experienced referees or ex referees coaching the new crop of officials. Hacketts big mistake is wanting referees deemed not good enough for level one games to be suitable to coach level one officials.

The current system is far from perfect, but all aspects of officiating are constantly reviewed, and improvements are always being sought. Regarding a decision not being reviewed, that is not the responsibility of the referees association.
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If not, it should be - refereeing and reviewing of refereeing should be completely independent and clear, the current opaque method only leads to more perceived incompetence.
 
tredman said:
If not, it should be - refereeing and reviewing of refereeing should be completely independent and clear, the current opaque method only leads to more perceived incompetence.
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But surely if ex referees reviewed a decision and the decision went in favour of the referee, the cry would be that they are just looking after their own. That is why an independent panel makes such judgements.
 
It is interesting that Keith Hackett wants Mike Riley replaced at PGMOB. Hackett has been very sour ever since Riley replaced him. Hackett also makes mention of ex referees becoming referee coaches. That is already in place, but they are called mentors. I have no problem with Hackett criticising current referees, but as a referee himself who often courted controversy, he should know better than most that mistakes can be made in the heat of battle.

I could mention other things about Mr Hackett, but it is better if I do not.
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
It is interesting that Keith Hackett wants Mike Riley replaced at PGMOB. Hackett has been very sour ever since Riley replaced him. Hackett also makes mention of ex referees becoming referee coaches. That is already in place, but they are called mentors. I have no problem with Hackett criticising current referees, but as a referee himself who often courted controversy, he should know better than most that mistakes can be made in the heat of battle.
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At least a debate might start off on the matter rather than the usual sweep it under the carpet for a few weeks and carry on (aka send them to the Championship and hope people forget)

I could mention other things about Mr Hackett, but it is better if I do not.
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Don't dangle that carrot and then remove it you big ref tease. Mention it or face the consequences....
 
I agree that refereeing issues do need to be debated. There are clearly some issues at the moment, but Keith Hackett is the last person who should be critical of others.
 
Hackett was no stranger to controversy when he was a referee, and following a complaint from West Ham United, he did not officate at any games involving the Hammers for the rest of his career. He was also referee at the fourth division play off final second leg between Wolves and Aldershot, and complained that he should have been given a higher level play off game.
 
I have just read the following, which suggests that officials are not doing as badly as has been suggested.

Information supplied to the BBC by PGMOL states that the accuracy of decision-making by referees in the Premier League is currently at an all-time high.
The figures claim accuracy on major decisions was up to 95% from 94.1%, accuracy on decisions in the penalty box stood at 98%, and offsides were now 99% accurate, compared to 92% when Riley took over.
PGMOL adds that delegate marks for referees have gone up every season since Riley succeeded Hackett and the latest data shows referees are being asked to do 176 high-speed runs and 50 sprints in a game - a 64% increase on five seasons ago.
 
That offside stat is only useful when we're talking about tight decisions surely. If you're running the line when Emmanuel Adebayor is playing you'll have about 20 clear offsides to give every game.

They produced similar stats for cricket a few months ago, turns out calling over and giving bowled dismissals out counts towards the 'correct' count.
 
The assistants constantly impress me regarding offsides,not surprised the % is high.Has to be the single most difficult task out there.

Inconsistency from referee to referee is a problem imo,especially handball and holding in the area. :)
 
NorwayFB said:
The assistants constantly impress me regarding offsides,not surprised the % is high.Has to be the single most difficult task out there.

Inconsistency from referee to referee is a problem imo,especially handball and holding in the area. :)
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Holding an opponent, or shirt pulling should not be a problem. Both are offences punishable by the awarding of a direct free kick as per law 13. If the offence is committed by a defender and occurs inside the penalty area, then it is a penalty kick. (Or should be.)
 
Frank, what's the punishment for foul language directed at a referee?
 
FrankMunro-371 said:
Holding an opponent, or shirt pulling should not be a problem. Both are offences punishable by the awarding of a direct free kick as per law 13. If the offence is committed by a defender and occurs inside the penalty area, then it is a penalty kick. (Or should be.)
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I know Frank,but referees are not consistent enough.
 
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