Refereeing question

[PuntsWolf]

Good stuff! So much weak refereeing when it comes to stuff like that. Like on Saturday, the guy was injured and was off the pitch and getting treatment by the dugouts he then came on to the pitch to get treatment forcing the ref to stop the game. The ref then allowed him to continue getting treatment on the pitch.

Also tons of time wasting from keepers. I know it's gamesmanship but it's easily dealt with. Either stop them doing it or add the time on. Instead they just book them in the 92nd minute which wastes even more time!

 

[Langers]

That's pleasing to hear - some of the blatant time wasting does my head in. How many times do we see a clearly fatally wounded player take over a minute to walk off the pitch, then as soon as both feet are over the white line, he's able to run it off and signal to the ref to come back on again?

 

[Wolf Hunting]

Should be...
Any player requiring treatment and a stretcher stays off for 4 minutes.
(to recover of course, if it's bad enough to need a stretcher, it's only fair to the player...)
If the player goes off holding his head (in pain or embarrassment) then he stays off for 20 mins or the remainder of the half.
All dives fouls and incidents of contacts can be viewed retrospectively and if necessary, action taken after the event. If the fucking managers wont sort this shit out, the authorities can operate their own rules...
They immediately convert to the rugby/American football method of time keeping.
Time keeping is taken away from the referee and when the ball is dead or out of play the clock stops.
Starts again when the ref blows his whistle.

We should be able to watch 90 minutes of football not the 63 minutes which is the average today.

 

[Langers]

Should be...
Any player requiring treatment and a stretcher stays off for 4 minutes.
(to recover of course, if it's bad enough to need a stretcher, it's only fair to the player...)
If the player goes off holding his head (in pain or embarrassment) then he stays off for 20 mins or the remainder of the half.
All dives fouls and incidents of contacts can be viewed retrospectively and if necessary, action taken after the event. If the fucking managers wont sort this shit out, the authorities can operate their own rules...
They immediately convert to the rugby/American football method of time keeping.
Time keeping is taken away from the referee and when the ball is dead or out of play the clock stops.
Starts again when the ref blows his whistle.

We should be able to watch 90 minutes of football not the 63 minutes which is the average today.

I think it just needs common sense from the officials TBH. I've no problem with the way the games are timed, with the 4th official indicating time added on. It works perfectly well (unless you're 'Arry Redknapp and you concede in the 95th minute having wasted time in the 93rd yet still moan about the amount of time added).

It's blatantly obvious when players are wasting time - if they need treatment, get them off the pitch as quickly as possible. Don't walk 30 yards back towards the dug out to treat them, when they've 'gone down' about 5 yards from the corner flag. Keepers constantly changing the side they place the ball on a goal kick, stuff like that - book them as soon as they start doing it. It's unnecessary.

 

[lemonjelly]

Very much agree. The amount Stockdale got away with in the Fulham game was disgusting.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Yeah timing isn't an issue. The rules of the game dont allow the time to stop every time the game is inactive. Otherwise the game would last forever. It only becomes a problem when people are time wasting, which can easily be dealt with as is bloody obvious.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Good stuff! So much weak refereeing when it comes to stuff like that. Like on Saturday, the guy was injured and was off the pitch and getting treatment by the dugouts he then came on to the pitch to get treatment forcing the ref to stop the game. The ref then allowed him to continue getting treatment on the pitch.

To be fair to the ref, he did at least add a proper amount of time on (6 minutes, not that it mattered as we'd already gone 2-0 up by then). The ref in the Brighton game let them get away with it and then compounded it by sticking nowhere near enough time on at the end.

 

[Wolf Hunting]

To be fair to the ref, he did at least add a proper amount of time on (6 minutes, not that it mattered as we'd already gone 2-0 up by then). The ref in the Brighton game let them get away with it and then compounded it by sticking nowhere near enough time on at the end.

But of course all of this harks back to the sentiment of 'what would we talk about if it all perfect'?
It's exactly because the ref didn't add on enough time in the Brighton game, that timekeeping should be done by someone in the stand.

And Punts, what do you mean 'The rules of the game don't allow the time to stop if the game is inactive' or 'The game would go on for ever'.
It should go on until 90 minutes have been played.
I'd much rather see 90 minutes of football than the 60+ you get nowadays. It might mean people miss a train, or stay inside the stadium a bit longer, and it would certainly rub Sky up the wrong way, but the clock running on when some twat is refusing to throw it back from 6 rows up in the stand or it's a dead ball and they're just walking slowly after it is just frustrating bollocks.
I saw one game this season when the ball boy at the South Bank end got the ball, ran past the keeper and placed it on the angle of the goal area for a goal kick.
THe keeper taught the kid a lesson and slowly walked up to it, picked it up, walked slowly across the goal area to the other side before placing it carefully on the angle, then slowly walked back before taking the kick. Bastard.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Football has never been that way, and I have no desire to be in the stadium for three plus hours like with American Football.

 

[Langers]

*Klaxon*

ADDED TIME MULTI-BALL!

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Notts County had a player sent off in he closing minutes of their 0-0 with Doncaster whilst he was being subbed. He was already on a yellow card and then received a 2nd for time wasting as he walked off too slowly. Never seen that happen before but fair play to the ref for calling it. Far to many time wasting offences are let go.

Notts County cannot appeal, as the player was sent off for two yellow cards. However they have reported the referee to the FA stating that the player being substituted was walking slowly because he had an injury.

 

[lemonjelly]

Here's a different perspective:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/30913041

Toulouse wing Yoann Huget has received a formal warning for feigning injury during his team's European Champions Cup defeat against Bath on Sunday.
European Professional Club Rugby (EPCR) said the warning was issued by match citing commissioner John Charles.
In a statement, EPCR said it followed "an act contrary to good sportsmanship".

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

They won't get anywhere and quite rightly so. The referee appears to have got it spot on.

 

[Kenny]

Notts County cannot appeal, as the player was sent off for two yellow cards. However they have reported the referee to the FA stating that the player being substituted was walking slowly because he had an injury.

Of course he was.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Notts County also claim that the referee did not realise the player was already on a yellow card, otherwise he would not have sent him off. I am not sure about that, the referee would have known the player was on a yellow card, beside which, a yellow card offence does not alter just because it would mean the player being sent off.

 

[Kenny]

Notts County also claim that the referee did not realise the player was already on a yellow card, otherwise he would not have sent him off. I am not sure about that, the referee would have known the player was on a yellow card, beside which, a yellow card offence does not alter just because it would mean the player being sent off.

I read that and thought "tough shit, that is the rules" Because it is a bit unique, they don't know how to react to it. I wish more refs had the bollocks to do stuff like this in games.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I read that and thought "tough shit, that is the rules" Because it is a bit unique, they don't know how to react to it. I wish more refs had the bollocks to do stuff like this in games.

Indeed. Would have loved the ref to have sent Lucas off last night for screaming "fuck off" repeatedly as he was in the act of booking him. And not just because it was Liverpool.

 

[PuntsWolf]

But of course all of this harks back to the sentiment of 'what would we talk about if it all perfect'?
It's exactly because the ref didn't add on enough time in the Brighton game, that timekeeping should be done by someone in the stand.

And Punts, what do you mean 'The rules of the game don't allow the time to stop if the game is inactive' or 'The game would go on for ever'.
It should go on until 90 minutes have been played.
I'd much rather see 90 minutes of football than the 60+ you get nowadays. It might mean people miss a train, or stay inside the stadium a bit longer, and it would certainly rub Sky up the wrong way, but the clock running on when some twat is refusing to throw it back from 6 rows up in the stand or it's a dead ball and they're just walking slowly after it is just frustrating bollocks.
I saw one game this season when the ball boy at the South Bank end got the ball, ran past the keeper and placed it on the angle of the goal area for a goal kick.
THe keeper taught the kid a lesson and slowly walked up to it, picked it up, walked slowly across the goal area to the other side before placing it carefully on the angle, then slowly walked back before taking the kick. Bastard.

If you stopped the game every time the ball went out the game would go on forever. A goal kick probably takes 10-15 seconds from where the ball goes to when it's kicked. You want the time to stop every time? Same as fouls, throw ins etc. It only becomes an issue when a goal kick takes 20-30 seconds or throw ins take 20 seconds. But it's easily dealt with. Warn him then book him.

 

[Espresso]

If you stopped the game every time the ball went out the game would go on forever. A goal kick probably takes 10-15 seconds from where the ball goes to when it's kicked. You want the time to stop every time? Same as fouls, throw ins etc. It only becomes an issue when a goal kick takes 20-30 seconds or throw ins take 20 seconds. But it's easily dealt with. Warn him then book him.

Imagine that at Sunday league level during the winter. It'd be dark before the game finished.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Imagine that at Sunday league level during the winter. It'd be dark before the game finished.

When the ball goes over the fence and the gates miles away and the spare has been fetched yet as it's been kicked down the slope on the other side!