Refereeing question

[SSB]

There has been a bit of discussion in refereeing circles regarding the Millwall v Wolves game yesterday, and the game being re-started before the Wolves substitute was in position. Law 3 covers substitutes and states that "the substitution is completed when the substitute enters the field of play" So the referee was correct as per law, but it is accepted practice to allow the substitute to take up his position before allowing the game to re-start.

Wonder what the discussion was between the referee and linesman after the said goal? Discussing his cock-up?

 

[FrankMunro-371]

At my game yesterday, I awarded the away side a free kick about 30 yards from goal. As the defending team were organising themselves, the player standing over the ball asked me if he could take the free kick quickly. I said yes, so he chipped the ball goalwards, and it just went over the bar. The defending goalkeeper lost his cool saying that I had not blown my whistle. I tried explaining to him that I did not have to blow my whistle for a free kick to be taken. He would not accept this, and ended up talking himself into the book. I really do wish that players understood the laws of the game.

 

[NorwayFB]

I really do wish that players understood the laws of the game.

Will never happen,same as they'll be just as surprised/angry/annoyed every time an opposing player falls over by the slightest touch.Then they do the same thing later ofcourse.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I sent off a goalkeeper this morning after he fouled an opponent who was in a goal scoring position. And what did his manager say? He said it was only Sunday morning football and a yellow card would do. I did not realise the laws of the game changed depending at what level the was played at.

 

[YoungWolf]

Sounds like you are wasting your breathe on some people Frank!

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Last Saturday I was the referee in a game between Leicester City and Bristol City under 17 academy teams. I did so and thoroughly enjoyed it. However I have received an e mail from the Leicestershire and Rutland County FA asking me why I wore my county badge on my shirt. Their representative had reported this, so rather red faced I have had to apologise. For any games controlled by the FA and involving teams from different county associations, an FA badge must be worn. For some reason I overlooked this and have had my hand slapped.

 

[Langers]

You got off lightly there, Frank. Crucifixion would have been sufficient punishment.

I hope you feel ashamed of your actions.

 

[So Long Architect]

Last Saturday I was the referee in a game between Leicester City and Bristol City under 17 academy teams. I did so and thoroughly enjoyed it. However I have received an e mail from the Leicestershire and Rutland County FA asking me why I wore my county badge on my shirt. Their representative had reported this, so rather red faced I have had to apologise. For any games controlled by the FA and involving teams from different county associations, an FA badge must be worn. For some reason I overlooked this and have had my hand slapped.

Do you happen to know the phone number of the Country representative? I'm having a party and he sounds like he'd be the guy to really get things rocking.

 

[NorwayFB]

Do you happen to know the phone number of the Country representative? I'm having a party and he sounds like he'd be the guy to really get things rocking.

He would demand a certain level of dress code no doubt,but he sounds like fun!

 

[Lord Knows]

Watching the Palace vs Liverpool game, When Joe Allen cut his head before he could resume he had to remove all blood soaked clothing plus all blood that had dried on his skin. If Joe Ledley or Mile Jedinak had similar injuries which meant their beards became blood stained, could the ref request they cut their beards off before they continue?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Wouldn't it be quicker and easier just to wash them out?

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Watching the Palace vs Liverpool game, When Joe Allen cut his head before he could resume he had to remove all blood soaked clothing plus all blood that had dried on his skin. If Joe Ledley or Mile Jedinak had similar injuries which meant their beards became blood stained, could the ref request they cut their beards off before they continue?

The referee should not be allowing a player back on the pitch with any blood on him. I would imagine if there was blood in facial hair, it would have to be washed out.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Help needed. What can be done about players diving? Referees have the power to caution a player for simulation, but there is a lack of consistency about the way it is being dealt with. Cahill was very fortunate yesterday, and the reason was that referees seem reluctant to give a second yellow for simulation. I suppose more honesty from the players is out of the question, so we are left with the problem of referees being constant in how they deal with this problem.

 

[darlowolf64]

Help needed. What can be done about players diving? Referees have the power to caution a player for simulation, but there is a lack of consistency about the way it is being dealt with. Cahill was very fortunate yesterday, and the reason was that referees seem reluctant to give a second yellow for simulation. I suppose more honesty from the players is out of the question, so we are left with the problem of referees being constant in how they deal with this problem.

A panel of ex players and ex referees meet every Tuesday and watch all contentious decisions/events and are given the power to retrospectively hand out 3 game bans to ANYONE who dives. They are also given the power to overturn Red cards and to hand out red cards for any decisions the referee missed.
The panel will have 5 people on it, perhaps 3 former top flight players and two former top flight referees and a majority vote (if needed) is enough.
This will take away the FA's narrow minded approach to the appeal process where they will only over turn a decision if the Referee admits to a mistake or has filled his report incorrectly

 

[The Bear]

The answer is you come down on it hard. Players will be a lot more reluctant to go to ground then for fear of being cautioned. Even if there's a few gotten wrong, which is inevitable, the game would be better off in the long run.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

A panel of ex players and ex referees meet every Tuesday and watch all contentious decisions/events and are given the power to retrospectively hand out 3 game bans to ANYONE who dives. They are also given the power to overturn Red cards and to hand out red cards for any decisions the referee missed.
The panel will have 5 people on it, perhaps 3 former top flight players and two former top flight referees and a majority vote (if needed) is enough.
This will take away the FA's narrow minded approach to the appeal process where they will only over turn a decision if the Referee admits to a mistake or has filled his report incorrectly

An independent panel could be the answer, though the FA would have overall control as they are the governing body in England. The make up of any panel would be a difficult one. Though it is certainly something that has been looked at before, I can see no harm in setting up a panel, but I am not sure that it will happen.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

The answer is you come down on it hard. Players will be a lot more reluctant to go to ground then for fear of being cautioned. Even if there's a few gotten wrong, which is inevitable, the game would be better off in the long run.

And therein lies the problem. Referees are cautious in case they get one wrong and the ensuing criticism that would follow it.

 

[Johnny75]

And therein lies the problem. Referees are cautious in case they get one wrong and the ensuing criticism that would follow it.

I think the referees should accept they can't get everything right at the time and they can use the panel as a back up argument to any player/ manager when speaking to them. It could be a real positive step by the referees.

As for the panel itself, it would need a pool of ex-players, academics and referees. The academics can tell you in an expert opinion if the player could have dived physically, the ex players could tell if there was intention drawing from experience and the referee from circumstance and a rules perspective.

I think this would enhance our game.

 

[VanWolfie]

Did anyone else see Mike Jones award a penalty to Liverpool for a ball from Sterling that clearly hit the Leicester defender's head? Don't tell Steve Morgan!

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Yes. And the second penalty was questionable too. Could have gone either way. No doubt some poor fuckers in the championship will get the joys of Jones soon. It had better not be us.