Refereeing question

[FrankMunro-371]

Your response is thoughtful and understandable but not, in this specific case, compelling. On this one thing, however, we do agree: Halsey is not very credible as a top referee any more, even less so in my eyes for shifting the responsibility in his report to the Assistant who saw the incident.

I totally agree with you regarding Halsey. It was his call, and it was wrong to try to move responsibility to an assistant.

 

[VanWolfie]

I totally agree with you regarding Halsey. It was his call, and it was wrong to try to move responsibility to an assistant.

I'm tempted to think it was cowardly and a misuse of his powers as a referee to say that the Assistant saw the incident because he knows that, if the report states that an official has seen the incident, the FA cannot review it for further punishment. In that way, I think he was attempting to protect himself. But he would have been better advised to come clean and admit that the error was his and his alone; it's possible to regain one's credibility if one is honest and straightforward. Now he has compounded his mistake with the impression that he has been devious. I don't think we'll see him back at the top for a long time, if ever. It is now very difficult for the FA and the PGMO to entrust him as a prevaricating referee with such a high level of responsibility.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

They gave him the responsibility after he didn't send Hutton off against us. The most clear cut case of preventing a goalscoring opportunity you'll ever see. Milijas was five yards out with an open goal.

He'll be back.

 

[VanWolfie]

They gave him the responsibility after he didn't send Hutton off against us. The most clear cut case of preventing a goalscoring opportunity you'll ever see. Milijas was five yards out with an open goal.

He'll be back.

I know, Deutsch, I know. I remember that incident with Miljas against Spurs. He bottled the decision (and more or less admitted that he had at half time). That's my big fear that they'll be so short of "experienced" referees at the top level that they'll capitulate and bring him back when enough time has elapsed. But something tells me that this incident is such a flagrant error that that will likely not happen. I've been mistaken before, however, but sincerely hope I've got this one correct this time.

 

[slink]

Mark Halsey has been "relegated" to league one this weekend. Instead of taking charge of a premier league game, he will be at Coventry.

I don't get this to be honest, if he's been shit in the premier league why should Coventry and Doncaster have to deal with his shitness?

 

[Parkins left foot]

I don't get this to be honest, if he's been shit in the premier league why should Coventry and Doncaster have to deal with his shitness?

Because league 1 are assumed to keep the ball in the air more & therefore less chance of him needing to make a decision.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I don't get this to be honest, if he's been shit in the premier league why should Coventry and Doncaster have to deal with his shitness?

Sometimes a referee can miss a couple of matches after he has been seen to be seriously at fault over a decision. But often nowadays, they demote them for a couple of games. By definition, refereeing in League one should be a little easier than in the Premier League, though as Stuart Atwell has found, that is not always the case.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Look at the absolute state of this penalty given for Derby on Saturday:

And then Everton don't get one when Medel completely cleans out Baines. New season, same nonsense.

 

[Langers]

I saw that on the FLS yesterday - just an utterly incredible decision.

 

[Nando]

That's horrendous!

 

[Langers]

I can't understand why that was given - how on earth would the ball be able to move in that direction unless it was a perfectly decent tackle?!

 

[visage]

In a refreshing change for this thread I saw some good refereeing at the weekend.

Tackle in the box, referee gives a penalty. Then, he very loudly states that he is going to consult with his assistant. Assistant says that from his POV it was a clean tackle. Referee then loudly states he made a mistake, and restarts play with a drop ball.

It was nice to see a ref admit he might have made a mistake, and then rectify it.

Probably easier to do in an FA cup qualifying round game in front of a hundred people than in a Premier league clash on SKy though...

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

Jesus, that it is one of worst penalty decisions I have ever seen - how can somebody who is refereeing in the Championship make such a horrendous error?! I know you have to forigve refs occasionally because of the speed the game is played at but that is a shocker.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

We had a harsh decision in our favour in the under 9s yesterday. Our forward attempted to put a cross in and handball was given against a defender who could do very little about it.

To compound it our forward took the penalty, which was brilliantly saved, only for the referee to order a retake as he hadn't blown his whistle. At the retake the forward blasts in an unstoppable penalty.

Almost like a double punishment for the defending side. Mind you, we needed all the help we could get as we got stuffed.

 

[Stan Hullis]

Haven't gotten around to doing any refereeing after completing my course last year - shame really as I was looking forward to it.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Our referee yesterday morning was dogshit, so inconsistent, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even realise what sport he was officiating and just blew the whistle or pointed around at a whim.

Equally shite for either side though so he probably didn't really have much effect on the outcome of the game.

 

[PuntsWolf]

The decision is woeful. The worst thing is the referee has the perfect angle and position.

Saw it on the FLS and I thought they may have said something, but no one cares unless its the PL

 

[FrankMunro-371]

We had a harsh decision in our favour in the under 9s yesterday. Our forward attempted to put a cross in and handball was given against a defender who could do very little about it.

To compound it our forward took the penalty, which was brilliantly saved, only for the referee to order a retake as he hadn't blown his whistle. At the retake the forward blasts in an unstoppable penalty.

Almost like a double punishment for the defending side. Mind you, we needed all the help we could get as we got stuffed.

The referee was correct. A referee should make the penalty taker aware that he must not take the penalty until he blows his whistle.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

In a refreshing change for this thread I saw some good refereeing at the weekend.

Tackle in the box, referee gives a penalty. Then, he very loudly states that he is going to consult with his assistant. Assistant says that from his POV it was a clean tackle. Referee then loudly states he made a mistake, and restarts play with a drop ball.

It was nice to see a ref admit he might have made a mistake, and then rectify it.

Probably easier to do in an FA cup qualifying round game in front of a hundred people than in a Premier league clash on SKy though...

Brave by the referee, very brave.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Our referee yesterday morning was dog$#@!, so inconsistent, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even realise what sport he was officiating and just blew the whistle or pointed around at a whim.

Equally $#@!e for either side though so he probably didn't really have much effect on the outcome of the game.

Can you identify specific things that he did that were wrong. It is easy to say a referee was poor, but the most important thing is why was he poor.