Refereeing question

[Kenny]

The one on Doherty in the 2nd half pissed me off. Their Defender was all over him until and basically had his shirt off him and got away with it.

BUT, I was fuming at the male Assistant Ref in the first half when he missed something that he should have seen. We had a quick counter attack and Golbourne made a run and their midfielder took a swipe at his legs on the half way line which slowed him down (he did well to stay on his feet). The lino was looking straight at it as well

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Was the assistant closer to the incident than the referee?

 

[Kenny]

Was the assistant closer to the incident than the referee?

Yes, the ref was probably just in front of the incident, so no chance he would see it but as the Assistant should have been following the game, if he was looking where he should have been he would have seen it.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Without seeing it, it is difficult for me to comment, but I noted that you said that Doherty did stay on his feet, so maybe the assistant thought it best to allow the game to continue, but that is only a guess on my part.

 

[Kenny]

Without seeing it, it is difficult for me to comment, but I noted that you said that Doherty did stay on his feet, so maybe the assistant thought it best to allow the game to continue, but that is only a guess on my part.

Ah, I was talking about the Golbourne one....but on the Doherty one, it was right in front of the Assistant and the ref was about 30 yards behind the incident

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Sorry my mistake.

Shirt pulling is a big problem in the game, and far too many players are getting away with it, but it is up to the officials to penalise it.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I think the problem the referee had with the Sagna challenge was that it was so blatantly a foul that he instinctively blew for a foul thinking Altidore would have no chance of escaping such attention, he really did very well to shrug Sagna off considering the hold he had on him, i'd guess that the referee didn't envisage there being any possibility of an advantage with such a severe foul.

 

[Sniffer]

I think the problem the referee had with the Sagna challenge was that it was so blatantly a foul that he instinctively blew for a foul thinking Altidore would have no chance of escaping such attention, he really did very well to shrug Sagna off considering the hold he had on him, i'd guess that the referee didn't envisage there being any possibility of an advantage with such a severe foul.

I watched the highlights and this was my take on it too. The ref blew as they were grappling and wasn't to know what was going to happen afterwards.

 

[lemonjelly]

agree with mark/sniffer.
In addition the grappling stopped when the ref whistled for the foul, which causes me to query whether Altidore would have gone on for goal had the whistle not gone?

 

[Doctor Doog]

Not sure whether this goes in here, but it wasn't worth starting a new thread.

I was at the racing at Newmarket this afternoon and my mate and I got into a conversation with one of the locals. When it was mentioned that I was a Wolves supporter, the local told a story of a friend of his. This chap was a Wolves fan as well, but also a Football League linesman. As he wasn't West Midlands based, he was assigned a Norwich-Wolves game at Carrow Road, which Wolves won, at least in part due to a Bully goal that was suspiciously offside. The guy maintained vehemently for a number of years that the goal was legit, until he was confronted with a Bully's 100 Best Goals video, which showed he was a number of yards offside. At this point the lino admitted he knew it was offside, but that he just couldn't raise his flag.

I've got no idea whether this story is true or not, but I'd like to think that it is.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

If he was running the line, and he knew a player was offside, then he must raise his flag. Many moons ago I was appointed as referee at a FA Youth Cup game between Peterborough United and Wolves. Posh won 1 nil with a goal in the last few minutes direct from a free kick which I awarded. I knew it was a foul and gave the free kick. Honesty is the only option when officiating.

 

[Doctor Doog]

If he was running the line, and he knew a player was offside, then he must raise his flag. Many moons ago I was appointed as referee at a FA Youth Cup game between Peterborough United and Wolves. Posh won 1 nil with a goal in the last few minutes direct from a free kick which I awarded. I knew it was a foul and gave the free kick. Honesty is the only option when officiating.

I agree, but it's such a good story if true, and would prove that you refs are human beings just like the rest of us

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I agree, but it's such a good story if true, and would prove that you refs are human beings just like the rest of us

While refereeing I have been called many things, but never "Human"......

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Wes Brown of Sunderland has had his red card at Stoke City rescinded, and referee Kevin Friend will not be officiating at a Premier or football league game for two weeks.

 

[VanWolfie]

Wes Brown of Sunderland has had his red card at Stoke City rescinded, and referee Kevin Friend will not be officiating at a Premier or football league game for two weeks.

Frank,
You need to take your friend, Kevin, aside and both console him and re-educate him so that he can get back to the first-rate standard of refereeing he used to display. Personally, I think he's getting confused by all the backroom edicts that are coming out about aggressive challenges but the decision he made on Saturday was a shocker. He probably realizes that now, too.

 

[Sniffer]

It was a shocker but I think that he gave the decision based on browns feet being off the ground after the tackle was made as he bounced up off the ground. I think that from what he saw after the challenge led him to believe that brown had gone through the challenge with his feet in the air.

 

[lemonjelly]

Charlie adam should get a ban for getting brown sent off.

 

[Crossy_Wanderer]

Just seen the Brentford penalty and i'm sure it should have been disallowed.

Pen taker hit both posts before scoring the rebound, it didn't appear to touch anyone else before coming back to the taker.

Do people agree?

 

[Kenny]

Just seen the Brentford penalty and i'm sure it should have been disallowed.

Pen taker hit both posts before scoring the rebound, it didn't appear to touch anyone else before coming back to the taker.

Do people agree?

My understanding is that the penalty taker can't touch the ball again after his shot until the ball has been touched by another player.

 

[Crossy_Wanderer]

That's what i thought. The ref appears to have got it wrong...Unless he thought (wrongly) that the keeper touched it.