Refereeing question

[FrankMunro-371]

My understanding is that the penalty taker can't touch the ball again after his shot until the ball has been touched by another player.

That is correct.

 

[darlowolf64]

That's what i thought. The ref appears to have got it wrong...Unless he thought (wrongly) that the keeper touched it.

Yep...I called that as soon as I saw the highlights. The standard of refereeing down here is criminal at times. Even a Sunday League referee would of got that right

 

[big mean bunny]

Brentford fans said on another forum that the keeper got a touch that was pretty evident on the day but virtually impossible to see from that camera angle. I actually downloaded the clip and went frame by frame (yes I know!) and I believe its actually a save, the ball is rising, then is noticeably lower upon striking of the post. Also you can see a fairly significant movement from the keepers strong hand position (I am presuming he is right handed).

 

[big mean bunny]

Have done a quick stitch job so you can see what I mean.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Until Crossy mentioned it, I was not aware that there was any doubt about the goalkeeper saving it. Certainly neither manager mentioned it in their post match comments.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Andy Carroll's ban upheld while the serial cheat Chico Flores has no action taken against him. Good work FA.

 

[Kenny]

Andy Carroll's ban upheld while the serial cheat Chico Flores has no action taken against him. Good work FA.

The ban had to stay, because there was intent by Carroll in my eyes, but Flores should have been banned for his over the top reaction.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Had Flores not gone down as if shot by a sniper, I wonder if Mr Webb would have sent Carroll off?

 

[Kenny]

Had Flores not gone down as if shot by a sniper, I wonder if Mr Webb would have sent Carroll off?

I reckon he would have. Carroll could have stopped his arm swinging like it did. He left his arm out with the intention of catching Flores IMO

 

[big mean bunny]

Two weeks ago Howard Webb was doing a talk in our assemblies at school, a kid asked him what the most cards he has ever given in a game was (it was 11 I think, was the world cup final) however he then mentioned how he hadn't sent anyone off this season. That weekend he sent the lad off at Norwich, and then this weekend Andy Carroll! just thought it was an amusing coincidence. He is at our place fairly regularly so am looking forward to seeing him next!

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I can see why he sent Carroll off, one view of it and you could easily think he'd smashed him with an elbow. Surely though the panel reviewing it though, given infinite angles and infinite viewings should be able to see that at least Chico needs to be charged, even if you aren't going to overturn the decision.

 

[big mean bunny]

Thats not how they work, they back the ref's to the hilt. Otherwise you would get managers questioning everything they do in an even worse manner than currently happens. They would forever be referencing all the "other stuff you got wrong".

 

[FrankMunro-371]

West Ham United are to take legal action in their bid to get Carroll's red card overturned. Should they be successful, it could have major implications. Whatever the rights or wrongs of the decision, it is a footballing matter, and not one for the law courts.

 

[darlowolf64]

West Ham United are to take legal action in their bid to get Carroll's red card overturned. Should they be successful, it could have major implications. Whatever the rights or wrongs of the decision, it is a footballing matter, and not one for the law courts.

The thing is, it shouldn't matter if he made contact or not. The simple fact is the intent was there, you can see that in his face. He'd lost it, end of. West Ham should be ashamed of themselves for this action but I guess it is their right as they did win the World Cup in 1966......

 

[FrankMunro-371]

The thing is, it shouldn't matter if he made contact or not. The simple fact is the intent was there, you can see that in his face. He'd lost it, end of. West Ham should be ashamed of themselves for this action but I guess it is their right as they did win the World Cup in 1966......

Maybe there was intent, but I think what has highlighted this particular incident is the reaction by the Swansea player. He was clearly feigning injury, and he should be serving a similar ban to Andy Carroll.

 

[darlowolf64]

Maybe there was intent, but I think what has highlighted this particular incident is the reaction by the Swansea player. He was clearly feigning injury, and he should be serving a similar ban to Andy Carroll.

Oh I agree but that doesn't give West Ham grounds to appeal the red card as it was justified

 

[Penk Wolf]

Frank, could a local ref have been asked to call the Crawley game off the day before or is it only the match ref that can call it off?

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Frank, could a local ref have been asked to call the Crawley game off the day before or is it only the match ref that can call it off?

It should be the match referee, but if it is deemed that a pitch inspection is needed the day before the game, then a level one referee within close proximity can be asked to do a pitch inspection. But a local county referee cannot do pitch inspections at any level higher than that at which he officiates.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Football could learn a lot from Rugby.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/26444392

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Football could learn a lot from Rugby.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/26444392

There has been a more high profile case this week, arguably France's best player so far in the 6 nations Picamole has been dropped for the next game by France because he sarcastically clapped the referee after he was sin binned in the Wales game.