Refereeing question

[Lord Knows]

Adding insult to injury, Newcastle assistant manager John Carver charged with misconduct by the FA.:surrender:

 

[VanWolfie]

They come as a team. Stand them all down. Not refereeing at a lower level, but effectively suspend them.

As a former referee and an ex-assessor, I'm incredulous. I think Halsey and crew should be given re-training for the rest of the season. That was a brutal mistake. Go on, Frank, take a risk and agree with me. All they can do is take your licence away! They can't take mine, I'm fully retired! And that is the gravest mistake by both the refereeing crew and the FA that I've witnessed in a very long time!

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Adding insult to injury, Newcastle assistant manager John Carver charged with misconduct by the FA.:surrender:

Newcastle have two choices

1 (Immensely more likely and rather dull)
Take the moral higher ground, accept the penalty for Carver quietly

2. Send the FA disciplinary letter back unopened with "Stick it up your fat incompetent arses" written on the front. Refuse to accept any decision made and apply for a vote of no confidence in the FA disciplinary process. Raise the possibility of legal action against the FA for failing in their duty of care over Haidara, along with legal action against McManaman in the civil courts. Also point out that if the FA fail to deal with things properly in this case, then eventually somebody is going to ask for Police involvement over horrific challenges of this type. It won't happen, but I would love to see Llambias do it. Newcastle are just about big enough to take the FA on.

 

[Stan Hullis]

I can't believe they have to come to this decision (well I can). It's just a joke! What is the point of the current system?

 

[FrankMunro-371]

As a former referee and an ex-assessor, I'm incredulous. I think Halsey and crew should be given re-training for the rest of the season. That was a brutal mistake. Go on, Frank, take a risk and agree with me. All they can do is take your licence away! They can't take mine, I'm fully retired! And that is the gravest mistake by both the refereeing crew and the FA that I've witnessed in a very long time!

I am astounded that no action has been taken against the Wigan player. It was a disgraceful challenge, and I was certain he would have received a three game ban. The FA have let themselves, and match officials down.

 

[Penk Wolf]

I am astounded that no action has been taken against the Wigan player. It was a disgraceful challenge, and I was certain he would have received a three game ban. The FA have let themselves, and match officials down.

The assistant said he saw it and deemed it not worthy of a card, so how can you say the FA have let themselves down, surely it the assistant that has let him and Halsey down?

 

[FrankMunro-371]

The incident happened in other half to where the assistant was, and as such it should have been the referees call. The referee was in a poor position, but it was still in his patrol path, and the FA should have taken that into account.

 

[Penk Wolf]

The incident happened in other half to where the assistant was, and as such it should have been the referees call. The referee was in a poor position, but it was still in his patrol path, and the FA should have taken that into account.

But, the reason they've given is because of the assistant.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

True, yet the referee would not have wanted that assistant to have flagged for fouls in the position where the tackle occurred. That had to be the referees call. In the pre match team talk, referees always ask that any fouls that the assistants flag for have credibility. And had the assistant flagged for that one, although he would have been right, would it have been credible? The more I read and hear about this, the more I think that Mr Halsey has tried to shift the blame on to the assistant, where in fact had he been in a better position he could have made the correct decision.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Interesting Frank. So Halsey is letting the linesman be the patsy. As he writes the referees report on his own (I don't believe it is a refereeing team report is it) he has written this in such a way that the linesman gets it in the neck but the "unsighted" halsey once again scoots off into the sunset scot-free after an enormous display of spectacular myopism and incompetence.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Surely if the assistant has any integrity or sense of professionalism he should do his fucking job properly and signal for a foul that he can see, whether the referee has asked him to turn a blind eye to that half of the pitch or not. There's always a chance a player may wander across the referee's view as Sissoko did to Halsey so why shouldn't the assistant pipe up and let the referee know what he's missed?

 

[Penk Wolf]

True, yet the referee would not have wanted that assistant to have flagged for fouls in the position where the tackle occurred. That had to be the referees call. In the pre match team talk, referees always ask that any fouls that the assistants flag for have credibility. And had the assistant flagged for that one, although he would have been right, would it have been credible? The more I read and hear about this, the more I think that Mr Halsey has tried to shift the blame on to the assistant, where in fact had he been in a better position he could have made the correct decision.

So, why have the FA let themselves down?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Surely if the assistant has any integrity or sense of professionalism he should do his fucking job properly and signal for a foul that he can see, whether the referee has asked him to turn a blind eye to that half of the pitch or not. There's always a chance a player may wander across the referee's view as Sissoko did to Halsey so why shouldn't the assistant pipe up and let the referee know what he's missed?

I thought that was supposed to be how it worked anyway. Sunderland vs Norwich, the linesman had a much better view of Bassong's handball (whether you think it was or wasn't a penalty is another question, I think it was but I've seen them not given) than the ref, he flags, penalty. Work as a team surely?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I thought that was supposed to be how it worked anyway. Sunderland vs Norwich, the linesman had a much better view of Bassong's handball (whether you think it was or wasn't a penalty is another question, I think it was but I've seen them not given) than the ref, he flags, penalty. Work as a team surely?

One would think so but Frank seems to be saying that Halsey told the linesman to ignore one of the pitch then hung him out to try, if someone was asking to do a shit job you'd just nod and agree then do it properly wouldn't you? Especially in a situation like this where there have been serious consequences for an innocent party because someone was doing half a job.

 

[Premier Quality]

I've only seen a replay, and also think its a bloody awful challenge - but isn't the linesmans theory that the wigan guy got the ball before decapitating the newcastle chap?

 

[Penk Wolf]

No, that was Whelean.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Surely in any of these situations -if the assistant sees the foul he should flag it.

It is up to the referee whether he does anything as a result. The Ref should not be telling his assistants to ignore incidents .

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Gents, my internet connection is too weak to try to answer all the questions. But bear in mind that a referee runs a diagonal, from left wing to left wing. The referee would only want the assistant to flag for fouls or misconduct in their patrol path, i.e from the centre circle to the right wing corner flag, anything else in that half of the pitch is the referees responsibility. The assistant in the other half of the pitch would not be expected to flag, as it would reduce the referees credibility. The one thing we ak for is that decisions are credible.

And I am as disappointed as anyone that the FA have not taken the matter further. It has reduced their credibility.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Surely in any of these situations -if the assistant sees the foul he should flag it.

It is up to the referee whether he does anything as a result. The Ref should not be telling his assistants to ignore incidents .

Agree entirely.

You perform your responsibility as fully and as well as you possibly can, if your superior then chooses to overlook what you've done and go off in another direction then that's their call, you've done your bit, highlighted the issues and you've covered your own back. If you decide to do a half arsed job because the superior is just going to ignore you then you open yourself up to abuse, the superior can dump all the blame back on you for not pointing out the issue in the first place and making out that they were poorly informed.

 

[PuntsWolf]

The linesman doesnt even have to flag! he can just say down the ear piece 'fuck me thats a bad one'. The ref can then take action or ignore it