Lambert

[Langers]

I don't think we'd be any better than we are now either.

And we wouldn't have enjoyed our cup run.

 

[Lycan]

I can't argue against the off field stuff and results did kind pile up at the end but I remember feeling quite optimistic after the villa game. After that we were beaten by a goal at Brighton which is nothing to be ashamed of and we didn't play nearly as badly in the Leeds game as was made out at the time. Leeds are hard to break down and if it wasn't for Doherty fucking up we would've come away with a point and probably felt hard done by considering the chances we missed.

 

[Lycan]

I don't think we'd be any better than we are now either.

And we wouldn't have enjoyed our cup run.

Who's to say Zenga wouldn't have beaten Liverpool and Stoke? He beat Newcastle comfortably.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Ultimately he doesn't keep losing his job after fewer than 20 games for no reason.

Ask yourself if any Championship club would currently consider him. Blues might as they have a hankering for shite Italian managers it seems. No-one else though I'd wager.

 

[Lycan]

Ultimately he doesn't keep losing his job after fewer than 20 games for no reason.

Ask yourself if any Championship club would currently consider him. Blues might as they have a hankering for shite Italian managers it seems. No-one else though I'd wager.

I don't think he's a particularly good manager and he's clearly a bit of a buffoon but I just feel our league position would be a lot better if we had stuck with him.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Based on what though, gut feeling? We were getting worse, not better as far as I could tell, and his behaviour was getting worse. Lambert's getting pelters for his recent selections but let's not forget that Zenga put Prince on the left wing against Villa and Brighton. Let alone the "formation" we finished with against Leeds.

I expected better from Lambert - or at least a more consistent output over three and a half months than utter shite -> some very decent stuff -> utter shite - but there is no way I'd take Zenga over him. 1,000 times out of 1,000 I'd pick Lambert.

In nearly 29 years of watching us there are two managers I've wanted sacked inside a couple of months of them arriving. Saunders was one and Zenga was the other.

 

[Lycan]

Based on what though, gut feeling? We were getting worse, not better as far as I could tell, and his behaviour was getting worse. Lambert's getting pelters for his recent selections but let's not forget that Zenga put Prince on the left wing against Villa and Brighton. Let alone the "formation" we finished with against Leeds.

I expected better from Lambert - or at least a more consistent output over three and a half months than utter shite -> some very decent stuff -> utter shite - but there is no way I'd take Zenga over him. 1,000 times out of 1,000 I'd pick Lambert.

In nearly 29 years of watching us there are two managers I've wanted sacked inside a couple of months of them arriving. Saunders was one and Zenga was the other.

Look at the run in he had. Newcastle, Brentford, Wigan, Norwich, Villa, Brighton and Leeds. Wigan aside which was poor, that's a tough run of games and I think he was harshly judged on the results he got from those games.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Let's be fair here Sam, you were openly speculating about him going after Barnsley :icon_lol:

I don't think his personality is compatible with managing a serious team. It might fly for a while in jokeshop leagues like the UAE. I couldn't see much improvement round the corner, by the time we got to Leeds he was down to desperate stuff like throwing Silvio in out of nowhere (not to slate him as a player, but he'd not been anywhere near for weeks than bang, straight back in), pairing Bod and Dicko when we'd clearly done no work at all in training at getting them to form a partnership, playing Teixeira in a bit of a nothing position where he wasn't wide but wasn't a #10 either...it was all a bit of a mess. He still played Edwards, Doherty and Coady all the time too.

We played Blackburn, Derby, PNE, Sheff Wed, QPR and Fulham straight after he went. Got six points. I doubt Zenga would have got that many.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Dug out the piece I wrote when he went:

https://danwolves.wordpress.com/2016/10/27/arrivederci-walter/

I stand by all that.

 

[Lycan]

I would've been openly speculating about Stan Cullis getting the sack if I'd just taken a 5 1/2 hour train to see his Wolves team lose 4-0 at Molineux to Barnsley. :icon_lol:

 

[Tony Towner]

It's the third time this variation on a theme has come up and the only time I'm not sure on the answer.
Under Mick we would have gone down if he'd stayed, Stale the same, Zenga I'm not sure. I was delighted when we got rid, but even when it became clear our new appointment was not going to be inspiring once the short list was leaked, I didn't think we'd even flirt with relegation. My gut feel is if we'd kept him we'd be around the same position.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Regardless of his managerial ability, he was rightly sacked for having no commitment to the job. If his family wouldn't come, or he wasn't willing to spend more than 50% of the week in this country away from them, he should never have taken the job.

The assistant, who the players actually liked, took most of training as Zenga was never there. If we were in the top 10 you might excuse it. But we weren't

 

[YoungWolf]

Where did he get barred from? That's the first I've heard of this :icon_lol:

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Where did he get barred from? That's the first I've heard of this :icon_lol:

The Crown on the Wergs Road. "Inappropriate touching" and being a drunken arsehole basically.

I'm sure I mentioned it at least in passing at the time (once I'd verified it was actually true)

 

[malta mick]

Where did he get barred from? That's the first I've heard of this :icon_lol:

who got banned ?

 

[darlowolf64]

who got banned ?

THM and Zenga

 

[leedswolf]

He's not very good and I'd have had him chucked years ago (even at his best, he has way too much of a propensity for total clangers and always gets injured at least once a season) but he's clearly the best we've got at the moment and by some distance.

Lonergan is authentically terrible, he wouldn't get in plenty of League Two teams.

I'd go all out and sign Paul Izzo from Central Coast Mariners.

 

[leedswolf]

Based on what though, gut feeling? We were getting worse, not better as far as I could tell, and his behaviour was getting worse. Lambert's getting pelters for his recent selections but let's not forget that Zenga put Prince on the left wing against Villa and Brighton. Let alone the "formation" we finished with against Leeds.

I expected better from Lambert - or at least a more consistent output over three and a half months than utter shite -> some very decent stuff -> utter shite - but there is no way I'd take Zenga over him. 1,000 times out of 1,000 I'd pick Lambert.

In nearly 29 years of watching us there are two managers I've wanted sacked inside a couple of months of them arriving. Saunders was one and Zenga was the other.

I'd add Solbakken to those two.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I'd add Solbakken to those two.

I would add Terry Connor

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Connor doesn't count, everyone knows he was a stand in plugged in for the rest of the season given no-one else would come (we'd be in exactly the same position now btw if we sacked Lambert).

I didn't want Solbakken gone until after Luton and then we did the deed anyway. I'd have wanted him gone regardless - his position was obviously untenable - but in a 50:50 shout with him and Saunders I'd have retained Chromedome. That would apply with pretty much any manager tbf.

I think I gave Saunders two games before I'd completely had enough of him and I would have been happy for Zenga to go after Norwich, which was less than two months after his first game.

Solbakken had us 3rd in early October so I'm not sure how the "couple of months" timeframe could really apply to him.