Coronavirus

[MARKakaJIM]

Vaccine passports wouldn't be any more discriminatory against people who can't have the vaccine than opening everything up would be against the people who are extremely vulnerable to this illness, both would be preventing from partaking in things as the majority.

 

[AndyWolves]

A free pass to do what?

A free vaccine pass on medical grounds

 

[WolfMan]

Vaccine passports wouldn't be any more discriminatory against people who can't have the vaccine than opening everything up would be against the people who are extremely vulnerable to this illness, both would be preventing from partaking in things as the majority.

There's alot of talk about extremely clinically vulnerable people nowadays. Almost as if that's the last little bit people who want restrictions to remain can cling onto as justification as to why they should carry on.

Before Covid were all these clinically vulnerable people all living a great carefree life or what? As I understand it alot of these people are at risk of catching a cold and it killing them. It's just not proportionate, in my opinion to be organising our whole society around such a tiny minority of people.

 

[AndyWolves]

Vaccine passports wouldn't be any more discriminatory against people who can't have the vaccine than opening everything up would be against the people who are extremely vulnerable to this illness, both would be preventing from partaking in things as the majority.

It would discriminate against people who choose not to be vaccinated, but I feel that would be a consequence of that decision.

 

[AndyWolves]

There's alot of talk about extremely clinically vulnerable people nowadays. Almost as if that's the last little bit people who want restrictions to remain can cling onto as justification as to why they should carry on.

Before Covid were all these clinically vulnerable people all living a great carefree life or what? As I understand it alot of these people are at risk of catching a cold and it killing them. It's just not proportionate, in my opinion to be organising our whole society around such a tiny minority of people.

These CEV people were and still are vulnerable to "flu" hence the big flu drives every year.

Covid is more deadly and more transmissible than flu.

There are 2.2m CEV people in the UK.

 

[WolfMan]

These CEV people were and still are vulnerable to "flu" hence the big flu drives every year.

Covid is more deadly and more transmissible than flu.

There are 2.2m CEV people in the UK.

And what proportion of that 2.2m has not been vaccinated?

 

[Keef]

I’ve had my say on the bbc this morning again against Sadiq Khan’s & Andy Burnham’s proposals for face coverings to remain mandatory on public transport. (Basically what i said earlier)

I also hope the continued threat of covid passports will get people to take the jab.

I'd love to know pogo danderfluffs opinion on why he used the laughing emoji on this post when James posted it, bearing in mind James had already said earlier that it's going to lead to more abuse of bus drivers when they ask passengers to wear them.
Pogo obviously finds abusing people for doing their job hilarious

 

[James]

There are people who cannot have the jab for medical reasons. What about them?

I’m not saying they should come into play full time. I’m saying the threat should encourage people to get vaccinated.

 

[PuntsWolf]

If someone could give me reasons for maintaining/increasing restrictions and what long term benefit that will have that would be great.

If someone wants to tell me what benefit a vaccine passport would have for UK events then that would be great too

 

[WolfMan]

If someone could give me reasons for maintaining/increasing restrictions and what long term benefit that will have that would be great.

If someone wants to tell me what benefit a vaccine passport would have for UK events then that would be great too

It will give scared people a misplaced sense of security. That about it as far as I can tell.

 

[Tony Towner]

FOMO

 

[PuntsWolf]

FOMO

Coercion is literally the only reason. But I said that months ago.

 

[Sniffer]

Living with someone in the CEV category I'll have a go.

Open up everything but keep mask wearing in place for shops, public transport and allow them to continue to work from home. Should those who have to use such places at least they will have an element of security regarding their health. Once this wave is over then the remaining mask wearing in such places can be got rid of.

 

[WolfMan]

Living with someone in the CEV category I'll have a go.

Open up everything but keep mask wearing in place for shops, public transport and allow them to continue to work from home. Should those who have to use such places at least they will have an element of security regarding their health. Once this wave is over then the remaining mask wearing in such places can be got rid of.

I agree on the working from home bit. Unconvinced on whether masks actually offer much protection for the wearer or stop the spread in any significant way. If there was a way of being certain the masks would go after this wave, I'd be willing to continue wearing them to give peace of mind to people like the person you live with. My only concern is that, once flu season comes around, or the next covid wave, the case for masks will return and we'll be stuck with them forever.

Out of interest and if you don't mind me asking, what is the person you live with opinion on the restrictions etc?

 

[PuntsWolf]

Living with someone in the CEV category I'll have a go.

Open up everything but keep mask wearing in place for shops, public transport and allow them to continue to work from home. Should those who have to use such places at least they will have an element of security regarding their health. Once this wave is over then the remaining mask wearing in such places can be got rid of.

I can accept that. But what benefit does that have long term?

Decreasing infections now just kicks the can down the road. And down the road we will be less able to deal with it (many reasons I’ve stated previously).

So we are either restricting till next May minimum (or indefinitely) or just accepting it.

Now I know it must be difficult in your situation and delaying things makes things better for you in the short term, but I don’t think it will be any more beneficial you in the long term, if anything the opposite. Whilst also maintaining the other issue that lockdowns, social distancing, passports, delayed diagnosis/treatment have on the wider society.

 

[Sniffer]

She knows that the restrictions have to go but that doesn't take away the worry. She doesn't have to use public transport and I do all of the shopping so that takes those risks away. Her biggest worry is being asked to go back to work. It is in an open plan office with a young(ish) workforce, using shared equipment for different shifts, in an area that has been a hotspot throughout the pandemic and is currently having a low uptake of the vaccine. On top of that she sees almost daily messages reminding people not to go into work if they have any symptoms.

We've had the conversation and if she is forced to return to work then the likelihood will be that she'll have to hand in her notice.

 

[sycophantia]

The 'experts' tell us that mask wearing is a good way of helping slow transmission and helps a little in reducing the chances of the wearer contracting it. Now whether we need to reduce transmission remains to be seen, guess we'll find out in the future if we have ICU's full to bursting.
Also obviously depends whether you believe what the scientists say or they're full of shit?

 

[Sniffer]

I can accept that. But what benefit does that have long term?

Decreasing infections now just kicks the can down the road. And down the road we will be less able to deal with it (many reasons I’ve stated previously).

So we are either restricting till next May minimum (or indefinitely) or just accepting it.

Now I know it must be difficult in your situation and delaying things makes things better for you in the short term, but I don’t think it will be any more beneficial you in the long term, if anything the opposite. Whilst also maintaining the other issue that lockdowns, social distancing, passports, delayed diagnosis/treatment have on the wider society.

The long term benefit is that everything is opened up now, cases will rise but in areas of the population where less harm is done but you will also be giving a degree of protection to those who need it.
With the increased cases and vaccines then the population continues on a path to herd immunity.

 

[lemonjelly]

Very much agree with pretty much everything Sniffer has posted.
The continuation of masks in enclosed/crowded spaces can help reduce transmission risk, and ultimately that should also lead to reduced case numbers, compared with zero masks.
This has the added potential benefit of also reducing the risk of further mutations.
I also don't see any harm in mask wearing, to enable others to feel more at ease. Indeed it can encourage people to access goods and services that they may need in a safer way.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Masks are going. Next Monday. With some limited exemptions. As soon as it isn’t mandated vast swathes of the population will bin them off.