Coronavirus

[Rui_CostCo]

Brexit Negotiator David frost has contracted coronavirus

 

[Parkins left foot]

You might not want to play this with kids around...

https://youtu.be/e0-2XxgHIXk

Stream that out and it's no 1 in a week - won't be able to shield the kids then.

All be singing it then :icon_lol:

 

[jd1981]

I have a wife about to be sent into the front line. I am still waiting to hear about what volunteer work I can do. I have a younger step child who is obeying distancing brilliantly and is trying his hardest to deal with the boredom as well as he can. I have an elder step child lying on his fat fucking arse in bed demanding I walk up to the shops to buy him fucking ice cream while being on facetime to his friend for every fucking second his is awake. And then demanding that I disinfect said ice cream upon my return. Such a fucking wake up call is heading his way when Squeeze gets hold of him in a bit. Total lazy fucking shitehawk and I am so disappointed in his behaviour.

My moms about to re-enter the NHS, works drying up a bit for me so volunteered to do driving or delivery duties etc whilst I’ve got spare time.
Worried about my mother as she’s over 60 and entering a high risk environment.
I’d prefer to do duties in Wolverhampton considering how badly it’s been hit so far.

 

[Papper]

Kind of irrelevant though, this will kill way more people than 'regular' flu will / would have

The point I was making (perhaps rather badly) was that data/stats/demographics are meaningless unless everybody is tested ie how many are immune etc. Viruses will kill vulnerable people they do every year. As already mentioned in 2015 28K died when the flu virus was only 30% effective. Perhaps in a few months time it will all be put into context.

 

[Rui_CostCo]

The point I was making (perhaps rather badly) was that data/stats/demographics are meaningless unless everybody is tested ie how many are immune etc. Viruses will kill vulnerable people they do every year. As already mentioned in 2015 28K died when the flu virus was only 30% effective. Perhaps in a few months time it will all be put into context.

In 2015 28k more people died than is usual in a year, in part because we got hit by 'the wrong flu' and the vaccine for that year was not as effective as it should have been, 24k of them were 75 and over, many of those died from flu OR dementia. (ONS).

I'm not sure what youre using those numbers to demonstrate, so apologies if this offends, but, the only way Ive seen them used this year, is to mount an argument that hey, a lot of old people would die of flu anyway so whats all the fuss? We had a rise in 2015 and no one gave a stuff so why do we care now?

We care now, because we are facing a far more virulent and deadly beast, , that if, as Mr Cummings was informed, everyone went about their normal daily business, as they did in 2015, would double our ENTIRE yearly death toll of around 500k and destroy the NHS , instead of adding just over 5% from the previous year, the largest year-on-year rise since 1967 to 1968 when it was just over 6%.

 

[Papper]

In 2015 28k more people died than is usual in a year, in part because we got hit by 'the wrong flu' and the vaccine for that year was not as effective as it should have been, 24k of them were 75 and over, many of those died from flu OR dementia. (ONS).

I'm not sure what youre using those numbers to demonstrate, so apologies if this offends, but, the only way Ive seen them used this year, is to mount an argument that hey, a lot of old people would die of flu anyway so whats all the fuss? We had a rise in 2015 and no one gave a stuff so why do we care now?

We care now, because we are facing a far more virulent and deadly beast, , that if, as Mr Cummings was informed, everyone went about their normal daily business, as they did in 2015, would double our ENTIRE yearly death toll of around 500k and destroy the NHS , instead of adding just over 5% from the previous year, the largest year-on-year rise since 1967 to 1968 when it was just over 6%.

Fair points Rui but I think a better picture will emerge when everybody in this country has been tested to see if they have already had it. Those with mild, asymptomatic etc Time will tell ...

 

[Rui_CostCo]

Fair points Rui but I think a better picture will emerge when everybody in this country has been tested to see if they have already had it. Those with mild, asymptomatic etc Time will tell ...

It's better to be over cautious as not only are we trying to stop people die needlessly, we are trying to stop the collapse of the NHS, which would be catastrophic. Imagine waking up mid April to find your son or daughter needs urgent, life saving treatment treatment after being run over and the answer was simply ' You'll have to go home and wait, we have no beds, we havent enough Drs and Nurses and theres already 250 people with worse non corona injuries ahead of you in the queue

It's a coronavirus, we have had next to no success in combating them with vaccines since they were discovered. We've had spectacular failures like Tony Fauci was warning about last night where the vaccine was thought to be effective, but didn't actually provide protection, it just meant when you did get it,it did far worse damage to your lungs than it would have done without having been vaccinated, which is why he is always so cautious about potential delivery dates.

The only thing we can do at the moment is stop it speading, which means isolation and distancing. Which may have to go on for quite some time

 

[AndyWolves]

The point I was making (perhaps rather badly) was that data/stats/demographics are meaningless unless everybody is tested ie how many are immune etc. Viruses will kill vulnerable people they do every year. As already mentioned in 2015 28K died when the flu virus was only 30% effective. Perhaps in a few months time it will all be put into context.

No they aren't meaningless, the data we currently have is the most insightful thing we have. To brand it meaningless is to throw away information you already have. The antibodies tests will make the data richer.
Testing everyone is impossible. You are right in that we don't know if it's super contagious and a little bit deadly or a bit contagious and quite a bit deadly or somewhere in between.

What we have to base our decisions on is what we currently see to date and what we currently know. It may well that we've put a load of restrictions in for no reason but people clever than me think they're a good idea.

One look at Italy suggests that the restrictions we've put in are a good Idea. Viruses do kill people every year, but when Italian morgues are getting overwhelmed that alone suggests it's something out of the ordinary.

 

[Papper]

The only thing we can do at the moment is stop it speading, which means isolation and distancing. Which may have to go on for quite some time

It looks that way. The money injected into the markets had a short-term impetus but they are again slipping due to the apocalypse now occuring in the States. The economic impact is going to be on a scale not witnessed since 1929. It's a truly frightening scenario - hard to take in.

 

[Papper]

You are right in that we don't know if it's super contagious and a little bit deadly or a bit contagious and quite a bit deadly or somewhere in between..

I suppose the knowable is that 80% mild or moderate. The sooner that fucking antibody test appears the better eh. That fine balance between a semblence of normality reappearing and reducing deaths. I think the economic / psychological effect is going to take it's toll. How fragile we truly are.

 

[AndyWolves]

I suppose the knowable is that 80% mild or moderate. The sooner that fucking antibody test appears the better eh. That fine balance between a semblence of normality reappearing and reducing deaths. I think the economic / psychological effect is going to take it's toll. How fragile we truly are.

I've got a slightly different view. Change is a constant and what this pandemic has done is truly challenged the way we live. The organisations that will do well out of this will be the ones who can adapt to their new environment and thrive. Organisations who can function well with a dispersed workforce will question why they have big, expensive buildings to maintain, employees will question why they spend so much time communicating rather than at home with their families. Obviously not all businesses can operate in this way, but the ones that can will have an advantage.

There will be a huge bump but I don't think we'll ever go back to normal ( unless lockdown ends in a month).

I hope (naively) that people will consider healthcare and science as being more important than ever and our true protectors rather than politicians. There will be far more research done into zootonic diseases and a good examination into how such diseases cross-over into humans.

We will also have an understanding of the kind of changes we need to make to fight climate change, and also understand the level of change that we're capable of.

 

[Paul]

I hope (naively) that people will consider healthcare and science as being more important than ever and our true protectors rather than politicians.

I think there will be a public sway but only from the point that its affected virtually everybody, you will also get the argument that this is a once in a lifetime occurrance (there was SARS and MERS etc but they were reasonably contained)
I think the biggest hope we have is that 'it's at home' it's here it's happening, for example if there is a conflict happening, does anybody give the army a second thought, they've been massively underfunded for ever, would anyone stand outside and clap them at 8 o'clock and they would be literally putting their lives on the line, but people and politicians don't care, it's out of sight out of mind

 

[Rui_CostCo]

There will be a huge bump but I don't think we'll ever go back to normal ( unless lockdown ends in a month).

I hope (naively) that people will consider healthcare and science as being more important than ever and our true protectors rather than politicians. There will be far more research done into zootonic diseases and a good examination into how such diseases cross-over into humans.

We will also have an understanding of the kind of changes we need to make to fight climate change, and also understand the level of change that we're capable of.

On the first point, it's not easy to imagine what normal will look like at the moment. A cycle of 3/6 months of some kind of lockdown, 3/6 months off? Abnormal is the new normal.

On the second - the applause from the Commons when Nurses were denied a much needed pay rise 3 years ago still echoes today. The Nation will need to force that to be addressed because much as I would love to believe it will be put to the top of the list voluntarilly I have seen nothing in my lifetime to suggest that is true.

On the third sadly, we already know the first part. Willingness to capitalise on the second once we know what the new normal is may be the problem with that. So no real change there.

 

[darlowolf64]

Just been informed that one of my cousins, James, has passed away. He had underlying health issues (suffered from COPD) but tested positive for coronavirus last week and passed away on Wednesday. Brings it really into focus! He lived in the Birmingham area

 

[Rui_CostCo]

My deepest condolences Darlo.

 

[leedswolf]

Echoed.

 

[AndyWolves]

Sorry to hear that Darlowolf

 

[AndyWolves]

Antigen tests for frontline healthworkers this weekend

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...receive-antigen-testing-for-covid-19-11964673

How many do we reckon have had Covid19? 50%, 75%?

 

[YoungWolf]

So sorry to hear that Darlo

 

[Rui_CostCo]

Antigen tests for frontline healthworkers this weekend

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...receive-antigen-testing-for-covid-19-11964673

How many do we reckon have had Covid19? 50%, 75%?

'Hundreds of frontline NHS staff will be tested this weekend to find out if they have coronavirus.'

So less than a thousand? We have around 4000 ICU beds in the uk which run at around an 80% occupancy rates. Until the recent changes, ICU Nurses normally worked on a 1-1, or 1-2 care basis, which would imply somewhere between 3200 and 1600 ICU Nurses in the UK. Not taking into account Doctors, Anaesthetists and anyone else now coming into contact with Coronavirus patients, hundreds of tests is still extremely inadequate.

You could argue ' but at least we will get a picture of how many are infected' but I think we need a bit more than pretty pictures to protect the people who are putting their lives on the line so that others lives can be saved