BHA 0 - Wolves 1 The highway robbery verdict thread

[Johnny75]

He has a permanently rolling contract. It doesn't run out. Today he has 12 months left. Next month he has 12 months left. End of the season he has 12 months left.

So we can get rid anytime. Then that's what we should do.

 

[Kenny]

So we can get rid anytime. Then that's what we should do.

Not going to happen though is it. KJ is here until May. A new owner will probably replace him or maybe Ken will do what he did at Millwall and think "fuck this, I am not dealing with barrel scrapping again". Moxey won't pull the trigger during his period in charge.

 

[Johnny75]

Moxey has no bottle and never has done with managers; so unfortunately I think you're right. Most clubs would've pulled the the trigger a while ago. I can't wait for this season to finish and Moxey, Thelwell and Jackett leave.

It staggers me that Wolves have reverted to this nonsense style of football to get wins. This smacks of a manager that cannot convey a style of play to his players with success and has had to revert to luck to win games.

The fact the players battled hard is good but that is a bare minimum.

 

[Kenny]

If we still had an owner, he probably would have gone before Christmas.

The fact the policy at the club changed the moment Morgan packed his bags, speaks volumes of where we are as a club. We went from "only youth" to signing Williamson & Holt at the drop of a hat.

I said when Morgan went, we would have the odd flirt with the bottom 3 and then mini runs where it puts in touch but ultimately our season will drift and be one of nothingness. Just the typical signs of a club drifting at board level. From Moxey to Jackett, no one knows if they have a future here, so do the bare minimum until the new boss arrives.

Moxey will be delighted we have put ourselves back in the top half, as it saves him making the decision or trying to persuade Morgan or his man on the board to sack the manager. We will finish around 12th and the blurb at the end of the season (if no new owner) will be about tough season, losing our direction as we try to find a buyer etc etc. If we think this season is dull, if no new owner for next season I would suggest the majority on here do what Morgan has done - go into hiding and ignore Wolves.

 

[Johnny75]

I'm not sure the owner situation should prevent the CEO doing his job. Unless of course the prospective bidders (enquires) have indicated they would replace him with their own man so changing Jackett would hav no effect.

If no prospective buyer is close then Moxey is underperfoming. Moxey must know this is his last hurrah as Wolves CEO and is probably working hard to secure a new owner (and bonus to go with it) so why not make a legacy and make the changes at player and commercial level to smooth that process and leave on a high. It all seems counterproductive at every level (playing and commercial) at the moment.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Surely If you were going to sack him, you would sack him after he had just lost 5 matches, not when he had just Won 3?

 

[Kenny]

Replacing a manager is not always result based is it. Sometimes it is done with long term interests.

See Southampton when they fired Adkins. They got dogs abuse for that. Stoke deciding they had seen enough of Pulisball. Brentford binning a massively successful manager in Warburton as he didn't agree to their way of working.

The issue we have right now is as a club we are only able to plan for today. Someone else owns our future.

 

[darlowolf64]

THM...You seem to have the belief that winning 3 games in a row suddenly makes Kenny a wonder manager. We didn't win those games because he coached and trained the players to be a cohesive defensive unit, we won them because the teams we played against failed to convert a total of 53 shots and contrived to score two own goals.
We won because of the odd individual putting his body on the line or making a magnificent save, or setting up a goal. So credit to the players for doing their job but we have turned no corner and have become awful to watch

 

[Lycan]

Spot on Darlo.

 

[thehistorymakers]

THM...You seem to have the belief that winning 3 games in a row suddenly makes Kenny a wonder manager. We didn't win those games because he coached and trained the players to be a cohesive defensive unit, we won them because the teams we played against failed to convert a total of 53 shots and contrived to score two own goals.
We won because of the odd individual putting his body on the line or making a magnificent save, or setting up a goal. So credit to the players for doing their job but we have turned no corner and have become awful to watch

I don't think Kenny is a wonder manager at all. I know he has just won 3 matches and if he didn't lose his job after 5 defeats, he isn't going to lose it after 3 wins.
You could easily argue that it was the players that did it for him. A bit of individual luck or a player making a fantastic save, but then it must be only fair to say when we had the 5 defeats, that the players weren't pullling their weight, or the keeper was out of position ect. If Kenny takes the shit when we lose, it is only fair he gets the credit, when we win?

 

[darlowolf64]

You think he deserves "credit" for turning us into one of the worst Wolves teams I can remember by his insistence on having an "energiser bunny" in the most creative role in the team, isolating our best striker in years, virtually playing 6 at the back and then not playing a counter-attacking style but more of a "Faroe Islands vs England" shitfest?

 

[Papper]

Teams will always get chances and good goalkeepers will keep them out. BHA had two good chances, the rest were half chances and they huffed and puffed around the eighteen yard box actually achieving zilch. Three sides have done the same so I will give them credit for how they are defending (all ten of them). The defending is now, not the problem. I thought we were quite well organised for a change even allowing for player deficiency. The problem is ball retention, passing and movement and turning defence into attack. I don't think you can have one without the other. Nine points in three games is not a fluke. We have had limited chances in front of goal but we've been putting away at least one more than the opposing side.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Out goal against Reading was a set piece and Brighton an own goal! That is the definition of luck!

We would probably lose both games 90% of the time. We've won both games but no corner has been turned.

Win a few more games then maybe, but at the moment it proves nothing.

 

[The Bear]

Agreed Papper.

 

[Kenny]

Out goal against Reading was a set piece and Brighton an own goal! That is the definition of luck!

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How is a goal from a set piece luck? Surely that is a worked upon routine being successful? If a goal from set piece is lucky, then every goal we have every scored is lucky

Also, whilst an own goal has an element of luck but when it comes from a cross into the box, there is a chance it can happen. It would be more a definition of luck if the O-G was a pass back under no pressure from a defender and the keeper air kicked as the ball rolled in.

 

[Lycan]

Surely no one can deny that the wins against Reading & Brighton were lucky?

 

[PuntsWolf]

Ok not luck. But set piece goals can be scored by anyone. Bilston town can score from a set piece against Bayern because it's a chance for them to put it in the Kenwood. It's not really a sign of good play. Most of our goals come from set plays at the moment as we have no way of getting to the oppositions area any other way, and we also have 9 players above 6ft in our starting 11.

And yes the ball was in a good area, but it should easily have been dealt with and it was pretty much our only ball in.

Hyperbole maybe, but the point is valid.

 

[Kenny]

You think he deserves "credit" for turning us into one of the worst Wolves teams I can remember by his insistence on having an "energiser bunny" in the most creative role in the team, isolating our best striker in years, virtually playing 6 at the back and then not playing a counter-attacking style but more of a "Faroe Islands vs England" shitfest?

Managers often get grief for being stubborn and refusing to change what they are doing. Stale being the most recent one at our club, his idea's weren't working and he blindly stuck with them. It cost him his job. (Saunders is the only manager I have ever seen start with Plan A and be on Plan Z by the 88th minute of the same game). Look at how were playing as a defensive unit in the Leeds and Sheff Wed games. It was shocking and at levels Sunday league managers would have been ashamed of. So he had to do something. We can mess around with the front end chucking in Byrne or even give Wallace his chance but it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference to the goals flying in with ease a the other end. Look at the difference in the performance of EEL from the first 45 mins v Reading to the his MOTM yesterday. A small amount of confidence and he is like a different player.

How we are playing is horrible to watch, but right now it has done the job required. It has stopped the goals going in and bagged 9 points ahead of the window opening. All done with only having Matt Doherty as the option to call in to the defence. So, yes he deserves some credit for that.......however that credit can only be short lived if by the end of January we are still rocking the same tactics. Sometimes in football, results become before anything else and as you start to look down the table, that is the time. Part 1 of his job is done, now he needs to build on it or at least show the desire to build on it.

Long term our future will be without KJ, but short term (remainder of the season) he is in control of it.

 

[Johnny75]

How anybody can give credit to the manager for winning with an own goal needs their head read.

 

[Kenny]

Surely no one can deny that the wins against Reading & Brighton were lucky?

Wouldn't say we were lucky as that would indicate a lot more than a few chances being missed, more fortunate for yesterday. Ikeme only really tested twice and the bar hit. Dunk maybe should have done better with his shot over the bar. On another day, Brighton may have scored 2 or 3 but it wasn't another day (in the same way that Afobe and Coady on another day might have scored with their efforts that stretched Stockdale)

They say you make your own luck in football, maybe we are close to using up a seasons worth in 3 games...

When you look at the Reading game, 2 moments they had they may have turned the game we actually matched. They should have had a penalty but so should we. They hit the post but so did we. I might be blocking out parts of the game as my memory wants to erase it but did Reading's best chance in the 2nd half come from Ikeme spilling the shot?

Despite all the (semi) defending I am doing of how we are currently playing, it has to change and change soon.