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You lot can all go, and this is why...

I have faith in Lop to make some of the players earmarked for exit more consistent and just generally better.

He wouldn't be a very good managerif he needed shot of 28 (twenty-eight!) of this squad.

A squad that he's managed to get to around 9th (?) Since he came in.

Yesterday was garbage, but yesterday was a massive outlier.
9 of those are out in loan and not good enough to be here/ never played consistently at the top level

4 are youth team players and not good enough not ever likely to be.

These 13 players have never been coached by Lop.

3 of the others are out of contact and unlikely to renew.

Of the other 12, Raul and Jonny are sadly broken beyond repair and RAN inexplicably can't make a match day squad as the manager clearly doesn't rate him.

That's 9 of the first team squad. A lot but when you're taking about the likes of Sa, Pod and Hwang we all have eyes and can all see they're not good enough.
 
Neither does trying to implement 4 new players into a back 5 in a short space of time.

We lost 6-0, so i get it, but there is a lot of reactionary, knee jerk shit going on.
You haven't been paying attention if you think Kilman, Collins and Sa haven't been appalling all season.

Newcastle have been fine bedding in Pope, Trippier, Botman and Burn all in one go.
 
You haven't been paying attention if you think Kilman, Collins and Sa haven't been appalling all season.
Collins has been poor, but no i don't think Sa and Kilman have been "appalling" no.

They've had games where they've been poor, and games where they've been excellent, that's the nature of players in an inconsistent middle of the table team.

But that isn't what i said anyway, if we learnt anything from last summer it should be that trying to do too much too quickly results in failure.
 
Hard to disagree with most of them. Nunes’ problem is that his main strength is his biggest weakness. He loves carrying the ball from deep and is pretty good at it but, and it’s a huge but, he gives the ball away in dangerous areas far too often. Playing for a very dominant Porto side he no doubt gave it away less as the opposition are weaker and if he did it was far less likely to be punished.

The PL is ruthless and he loses the ball far too often and will always be a liability. The Chelsea game was a classic example, he played well but in the final minutes tried to take on three players on the edge of the box and lost the ball. Chelsea could easily have scored and one moment’s madness would have cost us a well deserved victory. If we can get anywhere near our money back I’d sell and bring in a player Lop wants and who is suited to the PL.
 
Neither does trying to implement 4 new players into a back 5 in a short space of time.

We lost 6-0, so i get it, but there is a lot of reactionary, knee jerk shit going on.
Well yes it is a bit of a knee jerk, inevitable after yesterday but our back 5 seems to need major surgery. Too many players making too many of the same mistakes too often.
Dawson has been great for where we were but was only a stop gap surely?
I suspect we will start the season with a new keeper, 1 new CB, Semedo and Bueno. The CBs will be 2 from Dawson, Kilman, New.
 
Sporting, rather than Porto. He needs to play high up the pitch and on the right, since his good games against Chelsea and Brentford he's put him back on the left which doesn't make a lot of sense to me
 
Well yes it is a bit of a knee jerk, inevitable after yesterday but our back 5 seems to need major surgery.
Before yesterday we had 3 clean sheets in 4, they can do it, it doesn't need *major* surgery, it needs better coaching (and we have a top manager and coaching team) structure and confidence.
 
Sporting, rather than Porto. He needs to play high up the pitch and on the right, since his good games against Chelsea and Brentford he's put him on the left which doesn't make a lot of sense to me
Yeah, it's bizarre.
 
Nunes is an expensive Guedioura without the Freddy Eastwood shots.

His biggest problem for me, and I think this applies to many others in the squad too, is lack of brains.
 
I suspect we will start the season with a new keeper, 1 new CB, Semedo and Bueno. The CBs will be 2 from Dawson, Kilman, New.
Yeah i think that's fair.

And much to the anger of so many, i'm not sure we'll see a new keeper?

As someone mentioned the other day, who in this league is genuinely better than Sa?

There are probably only 5 or 6 keepers you could say with any degree of certainty?
 
Collins has been poor, but no i don't think Sa and Kilman have been "appalling" no.

They've had games where they've been poor, and games where they've been excellent, that's the nature of players in an inconsistent middle of the table team.

But that isn't what i said anyway, if we learnt anything from last summer it should be that trying to do too much too quickly results in failure.
Nope, that was a bad coach.

See the rest of my post, Newcastle had no problems doing it.
 
Before yesterday we had 3 clean sheets in 4, they can do it, it doesn't need *major* surgery, it needs better coaching (and we have a top manager and coaching team) structure and confidence.
Yes they can do it, but can they do it often enough that we can be on the coat tails of the Euro places rather than just about staving off relegation.
Your point about keepers is an interesting one, I tend to see other games via motd but even the top keepers seemed to have made quite a few howlers this season.
 
....but even the top keepers seemed to have made quite a few howlers this season.
Yep, as keepers become more and more reliant on their abilities with their feet it's going to cost big bucks to get a good shot stopper AND a keeper who is excellent with their feet too.
 
Yeah i think that's fair.

And much to the anger of so many, i'm not sure we'll see a new keeper?

As someone mentioned the other day, who in this league is genuinely better than Sa?

There are probably only 5 or 6 keepers you could say with any degree of certainty?
I think you are correct when you point out his bad games are highlighted on here whereas his good games aren't. His save in the first half on Tuesday went a long way to winning us the game. That said, it is clear how Lopetegui wants his keeper to be comfortable with the ball at his feet and equally clear to me that he can't do that. He was ideal for the sweeper keeper role that Lage wanted, with a different manager we needed a goalkeeper with different attributes
 
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To be fair to Sa, he has kept us in a few games this season. Perhaps a rest would do him good?
 
I've thought about whether this is kneejerk or not. The thing is I don't think it is. That should be an absolute watershed game. We have had three largely shit seasons in a row and it's time to make major changes.

So, the roll call:

Sa: Absolutely sick of this fucking idiot. He just does stupid things all the time. He's 30 years old so quite obviously isn't going to learn. Awful distribution and lets in joke goals regularly.

Sarkic: The manager has already made his mind up, we can't even trust him to be #2 at this level. 26 before the season starts so not even young, so don't loan him, sell him.

Semedo: I think we've all given up on him actually being value for money. Or providing proper attacking output...and in the modern game, if you don't do that as a full back, you have to be flawless defensively. He isn't. He has plenty of good games and obviously isn't absolutely rubbish, but enough crap ones too and his character is not great. No amortisation left on the books due to the weird way we structured his contract so invoke that extension (no point throwing away an asset for free) and sell for any decent bid, we'll get one off a team who want a quick(ish) defensive RB. It'll be a loss but so be it.

Ait-Nouri: We don't use him and he's spent a month not even being able to get on a 9 man bench despite being fully fit. Is there a good player in there, I believe yes, is it going to happen here, probably no. Sell before his value drops right off.

Jonny: What we signed and had for two years was a superb defender. Due to injuries that has gone and is never coming back on any kind of reliable basis, I know it, you know it, he knows it, the manager knows it. He's not even good for back up now. Some low ranking La Liga club would take him, we may have to take a hit on wages.

Kilman: So ridiculously meek and passive most of the time. He's got it in him to have good games but it's not enough and we're always going to have to sort out a partner who does all the heavy lifting in terms of organisation and leadership if he plays.

Collins: I was advocating this one for a while before we signed him so blame me if you like. Just looks nowhere near £20m. Quick enough across the ground but slow in thought, weak in the tackle, crap on the ball, nothing like dominant enough in the air for his size and a howler is always right round the corner.

Coady: What he's done at this club should never be forgotten. There's also no way back. I'm sorry the way it ended, largely due to the ex-manager being a prick, but what's gone is gone.

Sanderson: Miles off the standard required and should have gone a year ago.

Giles: Never a PL left back and he doesn't fit anywhere else. Never going to be worth more than he is now, hopefully Boro get promoted and take him.

Hoever: A little burst of form at Stoke has been extinguished and once again is in and out of their team (and they are rubbish). Woeful signing, write it off.

Matheson: Out of contract and has struggled throughout his time here to even get a regular spot in Academy teams. Lovely, lovely lad. Very intelligent. He'll make a good living somewhere, don't think it'll be as a footballer though.

Marques: Out of contract, development has stalled, let him go and wish him luck.

Richards: Can't stay fit and isn't up to standard, sorry lad.

Neves: Going to be a very sad day when he leaves but all the messaging says he's off. So I've made my peace with it, to a point. We could do with the money with the amount of players we need. I'm not having the argument that we're better without him, we aren't, but this is the natural end for us all.

Moutinho: Another that will break my heart. Quite possibly my favourite Wolves player ever. However he can't really be starting 10+ games next season, and we can't carry that cost. Love you man.

Nunes: Yes, it's early. Yes, he has ability. Yes, he's not been helped by coming into a team with multiple long standing issues. But my word is he shit sometimes. I don't think he's ever going to score or create much in this country, and it's debatable whether he can even play where we signed him to play. He can go while he still has a high reputation and we can try again with someone better suited to what we actually need.

Hodge: I'm sure he's a nice kid but he is fucking crap. Zero attributes. Don't waste any more time on him.

Jordao: Permacrock who realistically has never been PL quality or even close. Bye.

Kawabe: One of the weirdest Wolves signings ever. Let's pretend it never happened.

Guedes: I fucking hate this wanker. Looked a dreadful player for multiple teams for years, we kept saying no to Mendes when he kept trying to shove him here. Eventually we give in. Guess what, he is fucking WANK. Take any bid, I don't care. Never want to see him again.

Adama: Out of contract and going. £18m was a lot at the time, we have some good memories and some valuable spells, mostly rubbish though. I won't miss him in the slightest.

Podence: Occasionally has some actual end product. Nowhere near often enough though and the bad stuff is very bad. One year left, has to go now, even at a loss.

Hwang: Well, he tries. But he's a seriously poor footballer. And breaks all the time. I guess we hope Jesse Marsch finds a job and revives their weird love affair. Again, don't care if it's a loss - he's shit and won't improve.

Corbeanu: Not good enough, find somewhere else to play.

Costa: Thanks very much for trying and for stepping in during an actual emergency. However he looks 54, not 34 half the time. 1 goal and rarely threatens to get many more. Not viable.

Raul: It's been horrible watching him try to bring back the glory days. He was so, so good. He obviously isn't now and we have no intention of using him. Do what we can to get him a move with our best wishes and give him a few quid if we have to. I don't want him rotting here for a year.

Fabio: A few goals in Belgium and the Netherlands that don't stand up to much statistical scrutiny (mostly against the absolute dross in games that were won by miles, or indeed often were already easily won when he added to the scoreline) doesn't make him credible. Question marks on whether he really wants to even come back. Cut the losses, I say. It's not his fault, but he's the albatross of the waste that has been everything since we got knocked out of Europe.

Will they all go, of course not. But I'm saying they could all go for the reasons above and I wouldn't bat an eyelid. You ran out of road today lads, and you can't turn around.
Agree with pretty much all of this. Crazy that we’re in this position.

Obviously they won’t all go. There’s a player there with Nunes & I don’t think we’ll let him go if/when Neves gets sold in the summer. The only other one I’d contest here is Kilman. I’d be happy for him to stay as part of the squad, but I hope we improve on him in terms of the starting 11 (plus homegrown etc).

Everyone else, I wouldn’t really batter an eyelid if they all left tomorrow.
 
I think we can all probably agree that as far as the incomings go its going to require some players with character as well. Because we've seen what has happened when a dressing room is gutted of its leadership.

JL has done well to rally them and give them a kick up the backside but its clear there is still something lacking in the team - and a few individuals are notably lacking, to put it mildly.
 
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Nope, that was a bad coach.

See the rest of my post, Newcastle had no problems doing it.
Well actually, it was a while before Targett got dumped out of the team and Burn went to LB, pretty sure Botman missed the first couple of months too?

Replacing 4 out of the back 5 is neither easy, or necessary.

Kilman and Dawson are adequate, Semedo has been much better since Lop came in, and i have faith as a unit they'll all be better with a summer working under him too.

I guess it depends what people want or expect?

If fans are expecting a tilt at top 6 then yeah, we need to spend some serious money on the defence, but i think that's incredibly optimistic, I think Fosun will be happy with mid table mediocrity, and that's what a back 5 with Kilman, Dawson, Semedo and Sa is.
 
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