Wolves / Covid-19

[jd1981]

Black Country derby shite kick off time, aggressive atmosphere and usually a poor game. Plus annoying rhetoric leading upto the game.
How you view the rivalry really will depend on where you grew up, work and friends and family.
A Wolves fan born and bread in say Tipton or sedgley will probably feel more passionate about beating Albion as opposed to a Wolves fan who grew up in Shropshire.
Wolves and Villa fans have never really had rivalry, since 2017 it’s developed based on the antics of some senior members working at Villa, clowns on twitter from both sides and a certain local radio station deliberately playing one set of fans off another.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Was mostly Villa fans and plastics at our school. A few Wolves, a couple of Albion, a couple of Walsall, no Blues.

But Villa were so far off our radar that it wasn't a rivalry.

 

[Derby Wolf]

I know, my point was that they only really condemned Grealish as it was a cheap excuse to have a pop at Villa fans.

If it was a random player say for someone like Crawley Town (a club we have no rivalry with) do you think half of them would have laid on the condemning so thick/or even mentioned it?

Did the same people rush to condemn that Government advisor who broke lock down guidelines? Nah thought not.

I don't think football came into it. They called him a reckless prick, did when Kyle Walker (again a player and team we have no rivalry with as you say) and have done people going to parks etc

I posted about the Scots CMO going to her holiday home on here after reading it from a Wolves fan on Twitter.

I think for all intents and purposes theyve detached playing rivalries and just seen people (Grealish, Walker, Kean and now MGW) as people of considerable standing who have behaved appallingly and have rightfully gotten stick for it. The inference that it's motivated by football is well wide if the mark.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Black Country derby shite kick off time, aggressive atmosphere and usually a poor game. Plus annoying rhetoric leading upto the game.
How you view the rivalry really will depend on where you grew up, work and friends and family.
A Wolves fan born and bread in say Tipton or sedgley will probably feel more passionate about beating Albion as opposed to a Wolves fan who grew up in Shropshire.
Wolves and Villa fans have never really had rivalry, since 2017 it’s developed based on the antics of some senior members working at Villa, clowns on twitter from both sides and a certain local radio station deliberately playing one set of fans off another.

I see football rivalry to be one of the positive, largely unique aspects of the game.

Given that fans and media will gravitate to the games that have that rivalry far more than the games that don't suggests that the majority agree with that.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Oh and Wolves v Albion games have been pretty good games and/or eventful haven't they?

Off the top of my head during my lifetime.

The 2-1 at Albion with Bull's last minute winner.
The Hindmarch equaliser game at the Hawthorns was memorable.
the 3-2 defeat with Darren Bradley?
Our 4-2 win there.
The play off games were good games.
The 1-0 Bothroyd game
the 3-1 win at home
the 5-1 defeat whilst horrible, was incident packed

I'm sure there are more, and because of the atmosphere at those games, even if the quality of the game isn't that good the gut wrenching sensation and atmosphere make it far more interesting than a home game with Crewe.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I hated a lot of the overbearing shite surrounding the BCD. Most of it imposed by over-zealousness by WMP. I would like to think that if they come up there would be less of the Police State rubbish and the game would then be bearable.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It's not been anything like that bad recently. 06/07 was a nightmare but there were no real restrictions last time we played them (other than blocking off certain routes, but they do that with other teams).

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Its the memory of 06-07 that sticks in my mind. Utterly fucking drenched, having to walk half way round the Wrekin to get to where we were going.

I think with the pubs being very selective about away fans at every fixture now, the centre of town would be fine on a BCD. Obviously we would have to leave the ground and walk round the back of the Billy Wright rather than Steve Bull, but that happens fairly frequently anyway.

 

[lemonjelly]

Well i would venture that you are unique in that.

I would say he is not unique personally mate.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I would say he is not unique personally mate.

Are you saying that you are equally passionate and have an equal desire to attend or watch on TV a game with a League 2 team like Mansfield than a game against one of our local rivals such as Blues, Villa or Albion?

 

[jd1981]

Oh and Wolves v Albion games have been pretty good games and/or eventful haven't they?

Off the top of my head during my lifetime.

The 2-1 at Albion with Bull's last minute winner.
The Hindmarch equaliser game at the Hawthorns was memorable.
the 3-2 defeat with Darren Bradley?
Our 4-2 win there.
The play off games were good games.
The 1-0 Bothroyd game
the 3-1 win at home
the 5-1 defeat whilst horrible, was incident packed

I'm sure there are more, and because of the atmosphere at those games, even if the quality of the game isn't that good the gut wrenching sensation and atmosphere make it far more interesting than a home game with Crewe.

All about opinion there’s good rivalry and there’s taking it far, unfortunately a lot take it to far.
Both games of 07/08 were pretty grim, 2-0 defeat in 2011 wasn’t great either. Depends how far you want to go back some of the games in the late 90’s early 00’s we’re poor stuff.

 

[lemonjelly]

Are you saying that you are equally passionate and have an equal desire to attend or watch on TV a game with a League 2 team like Mansfield than a game against one of our local rivals such as Blues, Villa or Albion?

yes. I go to see my team. the only interest I have in the opposition is how many we're gonna beat em by

 

[jd1981]

I hated a lot of the overbearing shite surrounding the BCD. Most of it imposed by over-zealousness by WMP. I would like to think that if they come up there would be less of the Police State rubbish and the game would then be bearable.

Police are in a lose lose situation with this you’ll have the likes of yourselves who’ll say it’s over zealous whereas if they try and treat the fans with more trust and trouble occurs people look back with hindsight and say weren’t there more crowd controls.
Heavy police presence at certain games is usually intelligence lead to.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Police are in a lose lose situation with this you’ll have the likes of yourselves who’ll say it’s over zealous whereas if they try and treat the fans with more trust and trouble occurs people look back with hindsight and say weren’t there more crowd controls.
Heavy police presence at certain games is usually intelligence lead to.

The guy in charge at WMP at the time came to the Fans' Parliament once so I met him in the heady days of 2007.

He was an absolute arsehole and had no interest in listening to fans at all. I don't think it's the same now.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Are you saying that you are equally passionate and have an equal desire to attend or watch on TV a game with a League 2 team like Mansfield than a game against one of our local rivals such as Blues, Villa or Albion?

I'd be pumped for a game against Mansfield, couldn't get a closer game to home! Unless they dropped to non-league opponents anyway.

 

[jd1981]

The guy in charge at WMP at the time came to the Fans' Parliament once so I met him in the heady days of 2007.

He was an absolute arsehole and had no interest in listening to fans at all. I don't think it's the same now.

Helps if the person In charge has an understanding of how football fans behave, classic case of that is Mr Dunkinfield at Hillsborough who didn’t have clue about crowd control.
Worse experience I’ve ever had was after the 07 play off semi final, you literally couldn’t get past Stafford street to get to the train station.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

yes. I go to see my team. the only interest I have in the opposition is how many we're gonna beat em by

Admirable.

Does that mean you get exactly the same feeling of satisfaction from beating Man U as you did from us beating Crawley?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Helps if the person In charge has an understanding of how football fans behave, classic case of that is Mr Dunkinfield at Hillsborough who didn’t have clue about crowd control.
Worse experience I’ve ever had was after the 07 play off semi final, you literally couldn’t get past Stafford street to get to the train station.

This is what grinds Pad's gears, it took us forever to get to the Emerald Club (and we were parked there so couldn't go anywhere else).

But it's a very long time ago now. Seriously there won't be a huge problem.

 

[lemonjelly]

Admirable.

Does that mean you get exactly the same feeling of satisfaction from beating Man U as you did from us beating Crawley?

Genuinely yes. Indeed, I get a great sense of satisfaction merely from seeing wolves, even if we lose.
a great deal of this is because until 4-5 years ago, I'd not been lucky enough to attend many games for various reasons.

 

[pacamac]

I don't think football came into it. They called him a reckless prick, did when Kyle Walker (again a player and team we have no rivalry with as you say) and have done people going to parks etc

I posted about the Scots CMO going to her holiday home on here after reading it from a Wolves fan on Twitter.

I think for all intents and purposes theyve detached playing rivalries and just seen people (Grealish, Walker, Kean and now MGW) as people of considerable standing who have behaved appallingly and have rightfully gotten stick for it. The inference that it's motivated by football is well wide if the mark.

Not the stuff I saw and made a particular reference to it was downright just childish bating.

Can't claim I saw everything though and have no reason to doubt what you say above, just my particular point was quite specifically aimed and the pathetic fools who did.