Wolves 2-1 Everton: Verdict Thread

[sycophantia]

Love the forum logic of 'Trincao has only been here five minutes so you can't criticise him', followed by 'he's done enough already to warrant a swap deal with one of our biggest assets'. Which is it?

Trincao gets plenty of negative comments tbf, it's just he's not been here for 3-4 years and showing the same attributes, both positive and negative.
The jury is still out on Trincao for me but he's shown some good stuff on occasion and we definitely look a better balanced team with him in place of Traore. I think what we've got with Traore is as good as its gunna get.
I've said many times I don't want to get rid of Adama but if we really are a sell to buy club, then he is the obvious choice, depending on what other clubs valuation is.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

It's as if we didn't win a single point or play well until Traore was dropped.

 

[Johnny75]

In fairness the wolves examples are the other side of the Fabio coin. I don't think either Salah or Robertson were considered good business at the time either, obviously looks genius now.

I remember people were apoplectic on the Neto deal as the Mendes favour. Fabio is a whole new level on that.

Salah has just scored 15 goals for Roma in 31 games. The money was about right at the time. Robertson was in the relegated Hull side and easily their best player and £8m was a bargain.

 

[Johnny75]

The Wolves examples are the very core of the Fabio deal. Take Moutinho for 5 one year on the understanding you’re shelling out 35 for X player the next.

Those timelines don't match up. But I understand your point on the Mendes favour, which I thought was Neto and Jordao. Moutinho was also 32 moving to the PL for the same money he was on in France. It clearly was a reduced fee but not the flip side to Fabio who was 7 times that.

Jota was young and hadn't pulled up any trees and the real favour that season was Neves.

 

[Johnny75]

It's as if we didn't win a single point or play well until Traore was dropped.

Said nobody.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I remember people were apoplectic on the Neto deal as the Mendes favour. Fabio is a whole new level on that.

Salah has just scored 15 goals for Roma in 31 games. The money was about right at the time. Robertson was in the relegated Hull side and easily their best player and £8m was a bargain.

Kevin Stewart went to Hull for £5mill as part of that deal too, so you could argue Liverpool got Robertson for 3mill plus Stewart

 

[prawnking]

You're Adamas sister aren't you? Although in your defence a lot of the criticism is way over the top, your championing of him is equally skewed, after the first couple of games he looked like a world beater, since the we seem to have got the Adama of old back.

ps. If you are his sister and your real name is Prawnking Traore then I apologise profusely

I haven't been defending him from criticism in this instance, more against the laughably one-eyed assertions that either no club will buy him, or we won't even get what we paid for him, or that every club's 'stats men' would veto it

I just like equivalence and fairness. It's why I stick up for Doc too.

I think everyone who's contributed positively to Wolves, even inconsistently, or for one season, deserves some 'credit in the bank', not just Nuno.

 

[Johnny75]

Kevin Stewart went to Hull for £5mill as part of that deal too, so you could argue Liverpool got Robertson for 3mill plus Stewart

Michael Edwards is very good at his job isn't he?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Said nobody.

When people are saying "we look far more balanced and better without Traore" (off the sample size of one game) it is effectively what they are saying, and it's nonsense.

 

[Johnny75]

When people are saying "we look far more balanced and better without Traore" (off the sample size of one game) it is effectively what they are saying, and it's nonsense.

It isn't nonsense, we did look better balanced without Traore.

The movement of the front 3 created far more problems than when he plays as that's just not his game.

Surely you can see that?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

It isn't nonsense, we did look better balanced without Traore.

The movement of the front 3 created far more problems than when he plays as that's just not his game.

Surely you can see that?

Sorry, i didn't write that very well.

I mean that it was just one game, I agree we looked far more fluid against Everton, for the first 30 mins especially, rather than the "give it to Adama" tactic, which almost made me feel sorry for him.

BUT we HAVE played well this season with Adama in the team, so lets not write him off, there will be periods where both Trincao and Hwang aren't doing it for us (there have already) and that Traore and Podence (and Neto eventually) will be crucial.

The "lets get rid of Adama in January" talk just seems knee jerk to me off the basis of one game where he didn't play a minute. We have a small squad as it is, reducing our options even more is daft and unnecessary.

 

[prawnking]

It isn't nonsense, we did look better balanced without Traore.

The movement of the front 3 created far more problems than when he plays as that's just not his game.

Surely you can see that?

I agree with all that, and said so myself, but it's just one game (and against a team in shit form too) and now we're selling Adama (but no one will buy him apparently).

As EP said, it's not proportionate, any more than if Adama had a good game and I was saying it was proof we should build the team around him

 

[sycophantia]

I agree with all that, and said so myself, but it's just one game (and against a team in shit form too) and now we're selling Adama (but no one will buy him apparently).

As EP said, it's not proportionate, any more than if Adama had a good game and I was saying it was proof we should build the team around him

It's probably 4 or 5 people at the most who constantly criticise Traore and who want to get rid and think we'll get peanuts, but you always reference 'the forum' when answering these people. It just isn't the case, many appreciate Adama ( while accepting his limits) and think we'd get a decent wedge if he's sold.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

We'd get our money back and a bit more.

All I said was we wouldn't get £50m, which is true.

 

[Loki]

I prefer Adama as an impact sub. Brought on earlier in the second half if teams are starting to get the upper hand. No good 80 or 85 minutes though when he is more likely to stand around waiting for the ball. That`s where Fabio was a better option last game because he harries players and chases balls..

 

[Wilf Wolf]

We have a small squad as it is, reducing our options even more is daft and unnecessary.

It’s not so much small as unbalanced. If selling Traore is necessary to address that I wouldn’t be against it, assuming Neto is up and running.

 

[Carsy]

We'd get our money back and a bit more.

All I said was we wouldn't get £50m, which is true.

I’d expect 25m probably. Wouldn’t sell him mind if we can tie him to a new deal, but 25m with 12 months left is probably accurate

 

[Quirkafleeg]

Love the forum logic of 'Trincao has only been here five minutes so you can't criticise him', followed by 'he's done enough already to warrant a swap deal with one of our biggest assets'. Which is it?

Well mine is a valid opinion as he's only been here five minutes so still needs settling in. If I made both statements then it warrants a WTF. As its anothers opinion then Im staggered by your mock outrage..

 

[Throbber3]

All I said was we wouldn't get £50m, which is true.

Yep that was me with an over optimistic valuation given the length left on his contract and the market. 30 ish would seem about right in hindsight.

Personally , if we wish to be a consistently top 10 premier league side we need to have a better depth of squad and that will mean paying out for more quality players. Nothing that has not already been said in the past. Traore is still very capable and has learnt a bit from his early days but he still cant finish and he still frustrates at times. I believe that will always be him. He will make a career out of it an sometimes ,he will click and when he does he will look a world beater. I think he is best suited to cutting in from the Left Hand side as an inside forward based on what I have seen him do. If you are playing three up top you have the following

Left- Hwang, Traore Podence Neto
Right- Trincao Podence Hwang Neto
Centre Jimenez, Silva , Hwang

So its not a huge leap for me to say that on the right Traore does not have anywhere near the impact as he does cutting in from the left. He is the least interchangeable of those players , although Trincao is similar but from the right so I would not disagree with anyone who levelled that at Trincao too, so far. He has been here months , Traore has been here years. Trincao if he does not cut the mustard will go back. Traore will be running down a contract. Hence why the rumours are there for him leaving in January.

Personally , I dont want anyone to leave but I want two or three added plus Jonny and Neto back to full fitness. Do that in January and I am extremely happy , not that it counts for anything.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

It is a shame that Bruno seems to have abandoned Traore playing from the left.