Wolves 0-1 Villa: Verdict Thread

[Alan]

Yes we have. We did the double over villa and west ham last season and have nil points and no goals from two games against them since. Same for City. Also a defeat against Leicester who couldn't lay a glove on us last year. We are at best a mid table team and that's with Raul on our showings since lockdown.Without him we could be in trouble as we can't finish clinically enough. That considered, is the definition of a backwards step sorry.

After 12 league games last season we had 18 points. After 12 this season, we have 17.

The sky is falling, etc.

 

[sycophantia]

Think I'll reserve judgement about whether we've regressed this season until nearer the end of the season, I think comparing results against particular teams is pointless this season, there have been many strange results so far.
the next 4 games will be very interesting, two versus teams that are going very well, one against a team that are inconsistant and one against a team that have been poor

 

[YoungWolf]

Comparing the results is indeed pointless but he manages to bring it up every time.

As I said after the Arsenal game, I thought we had done well to be on 17 from 10 considering our lack of pre-season. We've got a tough month ahead so we need some really good performances now and need to go up another gear, as I've felt performances are (very) gradually improving. It will be interesting to see what we are like second half of the season as I feel we will hit our stride physically then, we just need Nuno to get it right tactically which I back him to do.

 

[sycophantia]

Comparing the results is indeed pointless but he manages to bring it up every time.

As I said after the Arsenal game, I thought we had done well to be on 17 from 10 considering our lack of pre-season. We've got a tough month ahead so we need some really good performances now and need to go up another gear, as I've felt performances are (very) gradually improving. It will be interesting to see what we are like second half of the season as I feel we will hit our stride physically then, we just need Nuno to get it right tactically which I back him to do.

You're going to get pilloried for being so positive

 

[Tony Towner]

You're going to get pilloried for being so positive

He won't because he's calling it how he sees it, with a balanced acceptance that at the moment there are issues. Why people see the need to get smug and pompous about that I'm not sure.

 

[prawnking]

You're going to get pilloried for being so positive

In which alternate reality? When was the last time that actually happened?

 

[t3ch]

YOUNGWOLF I WILL FIGHT YOU

 

[sycophantia]

He won't because he's calling it how he sees it, with a balanced acceptance that at the moment there are issues. Why people see the need to get smug and pompous about that I'm not sure.

don't think anyone has said there are no issues, in fact quite the opposite, YW is just better at putting his view than many.

 

[Del Woppio]

I'm far from in "is Nuno a good manager or should he go" territory, but I've got to admit to starting to find it less incomprehensible that we bumble and bore a season away that Fosun decide to call time.

Upon his arrival we saw a fair few fans from his previous clubs say he starts like a train, but then gets in his own head, turns ultra defensive and things fizzle out. To his credit I think Nuno has even recognised that, hence the 'revolution', but it looks far more confused than it does considered, at the moment.

Since lockdown, we're definitely one of the most boring sides in the league to watch, and even though since the formation change the games are ostensibly more exciting, we're still creating fuck all, but instead look easier to get at.

The transfer strategy, the formation changes, the personnel changes...I don't know what it looks like, and I don't want to say panicked, but it certainly doesn't look structured or planned.

Nuno is unquestionably the best manager of my lifetime, and clearly these are the best times. In previous dips I've never doubted that he'll be able to get us out of it, but that clarity and belief is missing this time. Like I *still* think he will see us right - as well as desperately hoping he does, for both the club I love and a man that I have a huge amount of affection and respect for. But it just doesn't feel impossible to me that he won't get it right now. It looks like the problem could be one or all of:

we've lost two key players that wanted to go, can't be helped
We've lost two further key players to long term injury, can't be helped

Tactically, he either knows what he wants us to do but can't get us to do it; he doesn't know what he wants us to do; he knows what he wants us to do but hasn't got the players to do it but is trying anyway.

I'm sure I'll get all manner of pelters from people that will have read too much into that, but the direction of travel, the loss of identity, structure and consistency, and the formation/personnel changes are all difficult things to address whilst remaining competitive in a season. One thing I do criticise the club for is to attempt a revolution with no preseason with a squad and a manager who's success is built on drills, repetition and shape work on the training ground.

 

[jd1981]

I'm far from in "is Nuno a good manager or should he go" territory, but I've got to admit to starting to find it less incomprehensible that we bumble and bore a season away that Fosun decide to call time.

Upon his arrival we saw a fair few fans from his previous clubs say he starts like a train, but then gets in his own head, turns ultra defensive and things fizzle out. To his credit I think Nuno has even recognised that, hence the 'revolution', but it looks far more confused than it does considered, at the moment.

Since lockdown, we're definitely one of the most boring sides in the league to watch, and even though since the formation change the games are ostensibly more exciting, we're still creating fuck all, but instead look easier to get at.

The transfer strategy, the formation changes, the personnel changes...I don't know what it looks like, and I don't want to say panicked, but it certainly doesn't look structured or planned.

Nuno is unquestionably the best manager of my lifetime, and clearly these are the best times. In previous dips I've never doubted that he'll be able to get us out of it, but that clarity and belief is missing this time. Like I *still* think he will see us right - as well as desperately hoping he does, for both the club I love and a man that I have a huge amount of affection and respect for. But it just doesn't feel impossible to me that he won't get it right now. It looks like the problem could be one or all of:

we've lost two key players that wanted to go, can't be helped
We've lost two further key players to long term injury, can't be helped

Tactically, he either knows what he wants us to do but can't get us to do it; he doesn't know what he wants us to do; he knows what he wants us to do but hasn't got the players to do it but is trying anyway.

I'm sure I'll get all manner of pelters from people that will have read too much into that, but the direction of travel, the loss of identity, structure and consistency, and the formation/personnel changes are all difficult things to address whilst remaining competitive in a season. One thing I do criticise the club for is to attempt a revolution with no preseason with a squad and a manager who's success is built on drills, repetition and shape work on the training ground.

No I think it’s well balanced view point, Nuno was in a similar position 2 years ago after we’d lost to Huddersfield and Cardiff and performed woefully. He managed to turn that around rapidly, can he do it again absolutely.
I think getting into Europe this season will be well beyond us as I think there’s to many teams in current better shape than we’re. If we come mid table I won’t be calling for a change. The real test will come if in the next 5 games we don’t win and find ourselves being pulled into a relegation battle.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Comparing the results is indeed pointless but he manages to bring it up every time.

As I said after the Arsenal game, I thought we had done well to be on 17 from 10 considering our lack of pre-season. We've got a tough month ahead so we need some really good performances now and need to go up another gear, as I've felt performances are (very) gradually improving. It will be interesting to see what we are like second half of the season as I feel we will hit our stride physically then, we just need Nuno to get it right tactically which I back him to do.

I fail to see your issue when the discussion is whether we are better or worse than last season that comparing results against teams that we beat and in some cases beat very comfortably in the last 12 months who have already beaten us this campaign is not relevant? We were indeed fortunate to be on 17 points thanks to the fluke against Leeds. We beat Sheffield United , yet so has everyone, beat Fulham 1-0, but generally we have looked far less of a threat this year. Traore has looked sterile. Neto and Podence however , look on fire.

After 12 league games last season we had 18 points. After 12 this season, we have 17.

The sky is falling, etc.

So we are in fact , worse than last season. You agree. Thanks.

Fuck me this place . Some of you would argue green was red. I really think that some of you see its me and just want to pick a row as you know I will bounce it back. Well I have been here 8 years and not changed that much. Never overly rude but I will post thoughts. I even tried changing my user name to see if it removed the stereotypical anti cyber drivel some of you post . But no , as the Donk up front as a late change to hold the ball up episode shows , if I give some of you any opportunity you will take it,.

Grow the fuck up please and either stick me on ignore (like Tony Towner has) or respond politely and properly.

 

[pacamac]

Verdict is, we actually played quite well.

We played better than we've played in games that we won. Lack of concentration, poor refereeing and not taking our chances/their goalkeeper being man of the match cost us 3 points.

Silva looks to be improving that one bounces in off the post and we win the game he's the new messiah. I remember Raul getting plenty of stick early on as he couldn't seem to find the back of the net, anyone with a brain could see he did so much more and it'd likely come. Silva is starting to show similar qualities, few things like positioning in certain places need polishing but certain the lad is learning.

Podence and Neto also looked very lively and as I say on other days we could have won that game 1 or 2-0 comfortably.

Always disappointing to lose a derby game but at least it wasn't a proper derby.

 

[AndyWolves]

I fail to see your issue when the discussion is whether we are better or worse than last season that comparing results against teams that we beat and in some cases beat very comfortably in the last 12 months who have already beaten us this campaign is not relevant? We were indeed fortunate to be on 17 points thanks to the fluke against Leeds. We beat Sheffield United , yet so has everyone, beat Fulham 1-0, but generally we have looked far less of a threat this year. Traore has looked sterile. Neto and Podence however , look on fire.

So we are in fact , worse than last season. You agree. Thanks.

Fuck me this place . Some of you would argue green was red. I really think that some of you see its me and just want to pick a row as you know I will bounce it back. Well I have been here 8 years and not changed that much. Never overly rude but I will post thoughts. I even tried changing my user name to see if it removed the stereotypical anti cyber drivel some of you post . But no , as the Donk up front as a late change to hold the ball up episode shows , if I give some of you any opportunity you will take it,.

Grow the fuck up please and either stick me on ignore (like Tony Towner has) or respond politely and properly.

It's not you, it's the stuff you post. You bring up things like man city when comparing this season to last season, like you expect us to beat man city and because we haven't we're doing worse which is ridiculous.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

It's not you, it's the stuff you post. You bring up things like man city when comparing this season to last season, like you expect us to beat man city and because we haven't we're doing worse which is ridiculous.

Thank you for completely proving that you read one line in a post and jump on the bus. I said West Ham and Villa , also true for City. Perhaps I should make it even clearer. However No one in gods green earth expected us to double them again this season and I was the first to say " I think we will get dicked" if you would like to go back and read that build up thread. When I post something and its right, absolute silence. Not a whisper. When I post a line that can be taken slightly out of context cue the derision and insults.

Cybertosis thread was a tongue in cheek bit of fun. However so far Sheffield Fulham West Brom and Burnley do look very good shouts to go down (3 from 4) and Chelsea/ Spurs have improved to challenge. But the only comment I would get on here would be Arsenal arent doing much and Palace are better.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Cyber you just don’t help yourself. If you can’t see it I can’t help you.

Literally no point explaining it either as you just won’t have it.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Cyber you just don’t help yourself. If you can’t see it I can’t help you.

Literally no point explaining it either as you just won’t have it.

Thats about as useful as tits on a fish. This is what your post says to me

I need to give you feedback. You have an issue which I am sure you are aware of. But as you are aware ,I dont need to tell you about it. But I will tell everyone else that I have pointed out you have an issue and do so on the forum. Perhaps I will get a like. Oh there it is.

Glorious

 

[AndyWolves]

Thats about as useful as tits on a fish. This is what your post says to me

I need to give you feedback. You have an issue which I am sure you are aware of. But as you are aware ,I dont need to tell you about it. But I will tell everyone else that I have pointed out you have an issue and do so on the forum. Perhaps I will get a like. Oh there it is.

Glorious

Breathe.

Breathe again.

Re-read your post and have a look at how it comes across.

You can't control how other people respond but you can control your responses

 

[PuntsWolf]

Thats about as useful as tits on a fish. This is what your post says to me

I need to give you feedback. You have an issue which I am sure you are aware of. But as you are aware ,I dont need to tell you about it. But I will tell everyone else that I have pointed out you have an issue and do so on the forum. Perhaps I will get a like. Oh there it is.

Glorious

You’ve been told before and don’t listen.

So you have three options
a) listen
b) stop moaning about people pulling up your posts
c) stop posting.
I’d rather you picked a) or b) but it’s up to you.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Congratulations

I choose C

 

[prawnking]

I don't agree with plenty of what Cyber says, or some of the things he fixates on but that's fine. We all have our fixations and blind spots.

One thing he is right about. There are times when he makes some astute points. Positive points too. 9/10 times they're ignored and then loads of people over-react to his more florid comments.

Let's be honest, he winds people up partially because he says some weird shit and partially because he doesn't appear to share the dominant TWF belief that to be a proper Wolves fan you have to be 'positive' about everything

(sorry to talk about you in the third person through all this Cyber!)