Tomorrow's fans parliament

[Langers]

This will also potentially make the mix a laughing stock across the board

It doesn't represent all fans that post on there either so their most popular forum boast holds little weight

I don't want to get involved in inter-forum bitching and it appears to be the mindset of a large quantity of our fanbase, not just MolMix. I really don't understand the need to take what could be genuine concerns to these extremes.

I don't think anyone who thinks this way really gives a shit if other fans laugh at them or not - and the lack of patience isn't exclusive to Wolves fans, let alone one particular fans forum. It's football fans in general - it's getting worse every year and it's turning me away from the game I love TBH.

 

[North West Wanderer]

Absolutely. I don't post on there for a variety of reasons but my post wasn't meant as a "haha" at the mix.
I'm hardly a prolific poster here.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

I don't want to get involved in inter-forum bitching and it appears to be the mindset of a large quantity of our fanbase, not just MolMix. I really don't understand the need to take what could be genuine concerns to these extremes.

I don't think anyone who thinks this way really gives a shit if other fans laugh at them or not - and the lack of patience isn't exclusive to Wolves fans, let alone one particular fans forum. It's football fans in general - it's getting worse every year and it's turning me away from the game I love TBH.

Well, I find myself totally with Langers all the way here.

Having been a Wolves supporter since my first pair of real underpants, I have to admit I hunkered down on Saturday to follow the Bolton game on every bit of the internet that was reporting it, and found myself devoid of my normal match day emotions from the very get go.

I accept that i can't watch the games, but i read every word written about Wolves by whoever writes it, and frankly I am just confused, both by the goings on at Wolves and football in general.

The money flying around for average players is mind boggling, and the fact that Chelski have 30 players out on loan I find just sad.
Football has taken over people's lives, but not in the way it did on the packed terraces in the 60's and 70's, but in a totally obsessive, past the point of rational thinking way.

I love the internet for many reasons , not least that i can follow Wolves in a certain way, but it appears to have given power to people who shouldn't be allowed to eat with a metal knife and fork.

I like to think I have stopped my drunken ranting on here now, (rants, more due to economic pressure than football) but before the internet I would have had time to sober up and reconsider making an ass of myself, now I press send and the damage is done forever.

I still follow Wolves every second possible, and having read the MOl Mix tome must be proof of that, but I find my emotions with the current situation both at Wolves, and with football in general, becoming more and more detached.

The fun in the game, whether winning or losing, has turned into a rant about pound notes, games like Football manager have turned morons into the new Alex Ferguson, and has turned my match days into a state rapidly resembling a coma.

 

[Lord Knows]

As for the letter. Well.

I agree all is not right, and that the club perhaps could do with clarifying a few of the points.

However in its quest to appear challenging, for me it comes across childish and ill informed, something that can have holes blown right through it.
Too much emotion and not enough fact.

Far to many faint hearted pant wetters letting their emotions run wild. The letter looks an opportunity lost.

 

[Lycan]

Erm while I don't agree with it, Andy is a top guy so let's leave the personal stuff out at someone you've never met eh!?!

Im sure he's a lovely guy but he's made himself look a right pillock here. There are 5 pages ripping into his letter and you picked that post?

 

[North West Wanderer]

Im sure he's a lovely guy but he's made himself look a right pillock here. There are 5 pages ripping into his letter and you picked that post?

Yours was more at him, that's why. I'd expect you to do the same if you saw someone you know having stuff written about them.

 

[Aikiwolf]

Far to many faint hearted pant wetters letting their emotions run wild. The letter looks an opportunity lost.

+1

This sums up my feelings. We have a emotional rant based on supposition instead of a rational, evidence based set of questions put forward to the FP.

This letter misses an opportunity to ask some hard questions and put forward some of the disappointment hanging over the start of our season.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The FP cropped up elsewhere and these were the questions I asked to be raised. I didn't feel the need to mention how many years I'd been going or wail about the club getting relegated to the Conference so maybe they won't hit the spot.

- We've played five games since the opening day - by my reckoning we've already made 12 unforced changes to the starting XI. Why is it we've gone into the season with the manager seemingly unsure of his best XI?

- If Dominic Iorfa is good enough to be training with the senior England squad then how is he not making our team? Again this is around the third time he's been left out of the team for selection reasons since he broke into the senior ranks less than 12 months ago. But most Wolves fans would consider him to have been an extremely bright spot since then. So why does he keep getting left out? As a player who is clearly one of the leading young players outside the top flight surely he should be a regular in our first team rather than swapped in and out constantly. Is the manager aware of the high percentage of goals conceded down Matt Doherty's side when he starts at right back?

- Golbourne and McDonald, what is the long term fitness position of these two. Golbourne has been very in and out for a year now and is McDonald's back problem something that will require time out of the picture.

- You (KJ) are on record as saying in the past that Dave Edwards cannot play wide or in a 4-4-2. Not paraphrasing, your exact words - and you've stated that you found the position off the striker to be the best role for him. So why has he started five out of six games this season either wide or as part of a central midfield two?

- Why was Nathan Byrne not brought off the bench when we were chasing the game vs Bolton?

- Why have our tactics changed to a narrow setup when we have never previously played this way in two largely impressive seasons under your management and most would say we don't have the players to play in this fashion? Furthermore a massive proportion of successful teams at this level have historically relied on genuine width.

- We know that Michal Zyro was watched at length by the club, what was the reasoning for not bringing him in at what seemed to be an affordable price given the departure of Sako which we knew would happen well in advance were we still a Championship club in 2015/16?

 

[Dublin Drummer Wolf]

The FP cropped up elsewhere and these were the questions I asked to be raised. I didn't feel the need to mention how many years I'd been going or wail about the club getting relegated to the Conference so maybe they won't hit the spot.

- We've played five games since the opening day - by my reckoning we've already made 12 unforced changes to the starting XI. Why is it we've gone into the season with the manager seemingly unsure of his best XI?

- If Dominic Iorfa is good enough to be training with the senior England squad then how is he not making our team? Again this is around the third time he's been left out of the team for selection reasons since he broke into the senior ranks less than 12 months ago. But most Wolves fans would consider him to have been an extremely bright spot since then. So why does he keep getting left out? As a player who is clearly one of the leading young players outside the top flight surely he should be a regular in our first team rather than swapped in and out constantly. Is the manager aware of the high percentage of goals conceded down Matt Doherty's side when he starts at right back?

- Golbourne and McDonald, what is the long term fitness position of these two. Golbourne has been very in and out for a year now and is McDonald's back problem something that will require time out of the picture.

- You (KJ) are on record as saying in the past that Dave Edwards cannot play wide or in a 4-4-2. Not paraphrasing, your exact words - and you've stated that you found the position off the striker to be the best role for him. So why has he started five out of six games this season either wide or as part of a central midfield two?

- Why was Nathan Byrne not brought off the bench when we were chasing the game vs Bolton?

- Why have our tactics changed to a narrow setup when we have never previously played this way in two largely impressive seasons under your management and most would say we don't have the players to play in this fashion? Furthermore a massive proportion of successful teams at this level have historically relied on genuine width.

- We know that Michal Zyro was watched at length by the club, what was the reasoning for not bringing him in at what seemed to be an affordable price given the departure of Sako which we knew would happen well in advance were we still a Championship club in 2015/16?

All very good questions Dan, especially the Iorfa one. Iorfa is clearly our best RB, it makes literally no sense to be leaving him on the bench and starting Doherty ahead of him.

 

[The Bear]

Iorfa has a blistering start to games but then fades out of games in the second half defensively and starts giving free kicks, yellow cards and the ball away more than he should.

That may be the reason he has been taken back out of the firing line. Personally I'd still start him over Doherty every day of the week, even given the above.

 

[ROVERT47]

Just read this thread for the first time from page one, time on my hands and all that, boy do we need to start winning a few games.

 

[Hamlet]

I love the internet for many reasons , not least that i can follow Wolves in a certain way, but it appears to have given power to people who shouldn't be allowed to eat with a metal knife and fork.

I agree with this - well, sort of! I remember people saying during the transfer window and before we had brought in Le Fondre and Ojo about how momentum had been lost - but the only reason people even thought that was because of the many rumours circulating and everyone and their dogs demanding a striker and left winger every bleeding day! There are times where fans create a mountain out of a molehill with such things, not to say that they should never express concerns though! Even with Sako - he must have been hit for at least 24 hours with abuse following a rumour from a usually trusted source that he was gonna join Albion!

 

[PuntsWolf]

Just read this thread for the first time from page one, time on my hands and all that, boy do we need to start winning a few games.

Only a few though. Don't want to finish too high! [emoji6]

 

[ROVERT47]

Only a few though. Don't want to finish too high! [emoji6]

:icon_biggrin:

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

I agree with this - well, sort of! I remember people saying during the transfer window and before we had brought in Le Fondre and Ojo about how momentum had been lost - but the only reason people even thought that was because of the many rumours circulating and everyone and their dogs demanding a striker and left winger every bleeding day! There are times where fans create a mountain out of a molehill with such things, not to say that they should never express concerns though! Even with Sako - he must have been hit for at least 24 hours with abuse following a rumour from a usually trusted source that he was gonna join Albion!

Hamlet, I wasn't having a pop at this forum, just the general amount of football numpties who infect the net everywhere

 

[Lycan]

Yours was more at him, that's why. I'd expect you to do the same if you saw someone you know having stuff written about them.

That comment was literally sandwiched between two comments by Langers & DW saying exactly the same thing?

If you put something like that up on the internet you need to prepare yourself for a bit of flack IMO. If someone I knew wrote that I'd be crying with laughter. They'd never hear the end of it.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Whilst that certainly has some truth, what the rep has done is listened to what the people he represents want and has tried to gather the material into one document. The source materials are the issue not the messenger delivering them.

The big problem they have is with getting the open letter admitted as it is way too late to be added as an agenda item in its own right, and the chances of the whole thing being allowed to be simply read out are pretty slim indeed. For a start, there doesn't actually seem to be a coherent question in there.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Indeed while there are some pertinent points they are lost in a long meandering ramble with no focus. If they put down a list of bullet points as a basis of a discussion would have been far better.

 

[Wolfman09]

On topic, has anyone seen the open letter MolMix have prepared for the fans parliament? Cringeworthy stuff.

Why, all they are trying to do is get their points across and hopefully answered !!! ( unlikely)

I believe most fans will agree with the vast majority of the points they raise

 

[Lycan]

Personally, I'd like to hear what both Ken & Jez have to say about the seemingly high number of failed bids we've made over the past few years. I appreciate that not every bid will be successful but it does seem like we've missed out on a lot recently (Delort, Toney, Bamford, Wood, Mason, Marshall etc). Are we having trouble convincing players to sign for us or for clubs to accept our bids? Are we reacting too late to changes in the market (Fulham skewing it by spending £11m on McCormack, teams spending big this summer when it became clear that QPR were going to get away with flaunting FFP)? It's clearly not a lack of money as we've held on to Sako & Afobe despite some substantial bids.

I'd also like to hear their thoughts on the #twentysplenty campaign and on safe standing.