The Summer 2018 Transfer Thread

[MARKakaJIM]

Well that's exactly the same situation they're in now with this deal isn't it? Which I'd guess is why Juve aren't budging.

 

[Penk Wolf]

If there is an obligation to buy then am I correct in thinking that it is guaranteed income and can be recorded as an income with the balance recorded as a debtor for accounting/FFP calculations?

I wouldn’t have thought so. I’d imagine you’ll need to hold the registration before you can put it on the balance sheet.

 

[The Bear]

Maybe Valencia have other sales lined up.

 

[AndyWolves]

If there is an obligation to buy then am I correct in thinking that it is guaranteed income and can be recorded as an income with the balance recorded as a debtor for accounting/FFP calculations?

Dunno, but if it did I would imagine Valencia would have accepted

 

[wordsleywolf]

If there is an obligation to buy then am I correct in thinking that it is guaranteed income and can be recorded as an income with the balance recorded as a debtor for accounting/FFP calculations?

If so it would also have to count as a debit to Juve, which they can't afford due to FFP bringing the problem full circle.

 

[Tredman]

One for the U23s maybe?

https://www.expressandstar.com/spor.../wolves-eye-move-for-kidderminster-youngster/

 

[Tony Towner]

Played in the same league as Edwards was managing in last year, so clearly his recommendation

 

[Tredman]

Can't really see the point unless he's outstanding. We already have Hause who's good but not good enough for the team.

Unless we plan to restack the U23 with good, but not quite good enough players.

 

[Johnny75]

Played in the same league as Edwards was managing in last year, so clearly his recommendation

That's what I thought too. I don't have high hopes for our academy right now.

 

[YoungWolf]

Our academy itself is very highly regarded within football. It’s going to get tougher now because we’ve been promoted but there will still be talent coming through. Gibbs-White is still a fantastic example of a player we’ve developed, and our u14s are currently the best in the country.

 

[Jinky]

Don't think there's anything wrong with spending £200,000 on a lower league talent and putting him in with our under 23's for a couple of years to see how he goes. That kind of sum is literally less than a drop of water in the ocean to Fosun and we've seen before that some gems can be found.

 

[pr0sl0]

Don't think there's anything wrong with spending £200,000 on a lower league talent and putting him in with our under 23's for a couple of years to see how he goes. That kind of sum is literally less than a drop of water in the ocean to Fosun and we've seen before that some gems can be found.

Also sucking up loads and loads of players like that and flipping them for 5-10x that amount a couple years later adds up to a significant amount of extra room to maneuver with FFP - it's why Chelsea has such a ridiculously big academy, after all.

 

[Johnny75]

Our academy itself is very highly regarded within football. It’s going to get tougher now because we’ve been promoted but there will still be talent coming through. Gibbs-White is still a fantastic example of a player we’ve developed, and our u14s are currently the best in the country.

I don't doubt that.

I don't think MGW can claim Scott Sellars is a big influence in his time at the club as he's only played for him 12 times and only twice last year despite only making 15 first team appearances. Rafa Mir only made 2 appearances also.

It's fairly clear Nuno doesn't see the U23's as a good place for younger players to be ready for the first team and I don't see that changing in the foreseeable. Which I think is sad.

 

[Jinky]

I don't doubt that.

I don't think MGW can claim Scott Sellars is a big influence in his time at the club as he's only played for him 12 times and only twice last year despite only making 15 first team appearances. Rafa Mir only made 2 appearances also.

It's fairly clear Nuno doesn't see the U23's as a good place for younger players to be ready for the first team and I don't see that changing in the foreseeable. Which I think is sad.

How many players do the big 4-6 teams in this country play on a regular basis that have come through their acadamies, though?

Liverpool have had Alexander-Arnold & United have had Rashford - Winks has made a few sporadic appearances at Spurs. Loftus-Cheek at Chelsea but he's only been able to make a PL breakthrough by going out on loan. There aren't many. So I don't think it's a case of Nuno not seeing the benefit of having players in the Under 23's - but more that for us to make an immediate impact in the PL, we need to buy readymade players in.

The fact we're being linked to this lad from Kiddy & the two lads from Singapore at least shows we're attempting to cast the net far & wide to improve the squads at youth level.

 

[YoungWolf]

I don't doubt that.

I don't think MGW can claim Scott Sellars is a big influence in his time at the club as he's only played for him 12 times and only twice last year despite only making 15 first team appearances. Rafa Mir only made 2 appearances also.

It's fairly clear Nuno doesn't see the U23's as a good place for younger players to be ready for the first team and I don't see that changing in the foreseeable. Which I think is sad.

I agree on your last point but I think that is less to do with the coaching (that can always improve though) and more to do with the standard they are playing at. the current system just doesn’t work. I don’t agree with the way the checkatrade has changed in recent years but that will benefit our young players more than the Premier League 2

 

[Alan]

Can't really see the point unless he's outstanding. We already have Hause who's good but not good enough for the team.

Unless we plan to restack the U23 with good, but not quite good enough players.

Tbf most U23 players will not be good enough anyway.

 

[Johnny75]

I agree on your last point but I think that is less to do with the coaching (that can always improve though) and more to do with the standard they are playing at. the current system just doesn’t work. I don’t agree with the way the checkatrade has changed in recent years but that will benefit our young players more than the Premier League 2

I think you're right. I would scrap the U23's completely and take it back to U20's (or better still U18's). No reserve teams and limited squads that way players will know by the time they are 20 whether they're going to make it and prevent the stockpiling of talent we see now. We'd also get teams further down the pyramid using their youth teams effectively instead of the top teams stealing talent and watching them stagnate without game time on the off chance they will make that team a few quid in the future.

I'm still not convinced the coaching at the top teams is vastly better at youth level than teams at Championship or League 1 level.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

We're as guilty of hanging on to players for a silly length of time as some of the big clubs in fairness.

Jon Flatt is 24 in September, we've only just released him, managed 0 first team games for us and was only even close to playing once, when we had both first team keepers injured and even then he lost out to Harry Burgoyne. We've given Aaron Hayden another contract, turns 22 in January and yet he was at Stourbridge last season and has five Football League appearances (all three years ago) in his career. Ethan Ebanks-Landell is 26 in December - he will never, ever, ever play another league game for us and yet he's still tied up here until 2020.

 

[Johnny75]

We're as guilty of hanging on to players for a silly length of time as some of the big clubs in fairness.

Jon Flatt is 24 in September, we've only just released him, managed 0 first team games for us and was only even close to playing once, when we had both first team keepers injured and even then he lost out to Harry Burgoyne. We've given Aaron Hayden another contract, turns 22 in January and yet he was at Stourbridge last season and has five Football League appearances (all three years ago) in his career. Ethan Ebanks-Landell is 26 in December - he will never, ever, ever play another league game for us and yet he's still tied up here until 2020.

Apparently I hate too much on Kevin Thelwell but you've just highlighted his 'performance' right there.

 

[YoungWolf]

I think you're right. I would scrap the U23's completely and take it back to U20's (or better still U18's). No reserve teams and limited squads that way players will know by the time they are 20 whether they're going to make it and prevent the stockpiling of talent we see now. We'd also get teams further down the pyramid using their youth teams effectively instead of the top teams stealing talent and watching them stagnate without game time on the off chance they will make that team a few quid in the future.

I'm still not convinced the coaching at the top teams is vastly better at youth level than teams at Championship or League 1 level.

It's a tricky one isn't it. I think B teams would actually have a positive impact on youth development but it would just never work in England. We have too strong a league structure for it to happen, understandably so.

Completely agree on stockpiling, I think a limit on how many young players per squad (ie. u23s) might help. Clubs might create an extra side for that to get round that BUT in Holland they have U17, U19 before their reserves (Jong) sides. Maybe that itself could be another idea.

Agree mostly with your second point, at least until recent years for sure. You look at the England squad and see where players have come from and their is a real variety there. Sheffield Utd have produced two of the current back three! England are developing some of the best talents in the world at the moment, a lot due to the improvement in academies and especially at the top end now but that top end are also a problem because the pathway after 16 is so difficult.