The NFL Thread

[Dire Wolf]

Bills add Emmanuel Sanders to Diggs and Beasley. Best trio of WRs in the NFL? And to Punts point, you can get away with average WRs with an elite QB, but add top WRs to a great QB and that becomes a very difficult offense to gameplan against.

Also, Bellichick getting Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry feels a little bit like he's trying to put together a Gronk and Hernandez tribute band... without the gangland murders obviously...

 

[Tony Towner]

Bills add Emmanuel Sanders to Diggs and Beasley. Best trio of WRs in the NFL?

I'd say Diggs is individually the best but I'd have Cooper, Lamb and Gallup as the trio with a fit Dak

 

[PuntsWolf]

Bills add Emmanuel Sanders to Diggs and Beasley. Best trio of WRs in the NFL? And to Punts point, you can get away with average WRs with an elite QB, but add top WRs to a great QB and that becomes a very difficult offense to gameplan against.

Also, Bellichick getting Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry feels a little bit like he's trying to put together a Gronk and Hernandez tribute band... without the gangland murders obviously...

Sanders is very average, the typical do a job WR2 I was on about. Diggs and Beasley good at what they do. When you’ve got a QB who can run and pass then that’s all you need.

 

[darlowolf64]

tbh I don't watch Cowboys games, so just saw a few highlights. I would have taken him for the Texans - he regularly got the Bengals to the playoffs even if they were always 1 and done.

Lots of rumours had linked Bears with Wilson or Watson, so Dalton is underwhelming but still a (slight) upgrade on their current situation. Does suggest Wilson not going anywhere and Watson price too high.

Yep... Andy Dalton to the Bears. I'm whelmed

Big drop down from chasing Wilson and unless we sort out the O Line, he'll just be more fodder. At least Wilson is really mobile

 

[darlowolf64]

 

[Tony Towner]

For no reason other than discussion I've done my QB power rankings based on starters as they currently stand. I've not done the 4 teams who are currently projected to have 2020 rookies as 1 season or less is too early to rank imo so that's Tua, Hurts, Herbert and Burrow not included. Players in red are likely to lose their place before the season starts or at least the team would ideally like them to. It's not just based on 2020 as Wentz would be bottom 2 if it were. From Cousins down teams should be looking to improve if they can imo

Mahomes
Rodgers
Wilson
Brady
Allen
Watson
Prescott
Jackson
Ryan
Stafford
Murray
Mayfield
Tannehill
Cousins
Big Ben
Carr
Fitzpatrick
Winston (supposedly ahead of Hill at the moment)
Bridgewater
Wentz
Goff
Jimmy G
Jones
Dalton
Newton
Darnold
Lock
Minshew

 

[PuntsWolf]

Can’t argue with the top 4. The next lot is when it gets muddled as they all offer something different.

Probably have Watson in the top bracket. Allen outside (close you’re eyes Dire), don’t think Prescott is that special, good not great. Jackson and Murray obviously very special, are they good enough to win a championship for their team? At the moment I’d say no. Jackson has been nullified too easily in the big games and he has nothing to fall back on in the passing game. Stafford and Ryan basically the same in both ability and styles, mayfield either great or awful, and then there’s the rest.

 

[Dennisons Wrong Foot]

A lot of thought into that TT.
I'm biased so would put Watson above Allen (and Brady) - he threw for more yards than anyone else last season (because he had to). Am intrigued to see how Stafford does this year, and how much Murray can improve. Tannehill has never impressed me - he's a game manager rather than a match winner and would be lost without Henry - but his QB rating has been exceptional since he moved to the Titans. I would have put Winston and Bridgewater lower down. Minshew (poor guy) is in the correct place, he is just not a NFL starter.
And in 12 months time, Herbert will be above Ryan and Stafford.

 

[Alan]

In fairness to Kyler, he has elevated Arizona against all kinds of odds. Kingsbury is a horrendous coach, yet on Murray's back (having the best receiver in football to throw to doesn't hurt), the Cardinals have improved a lot.

RGIII is done a disservice when people don't remember that it was the coaching staff at Washington that truly fucked him over.

 

[Dire Wolf]

For me I wouldn't have Jackson and Murray near the top 20 even. Take away their running and they are both trash. What separates Mahomes, Watson and Allen from those other 2 is that make them stand in the pocket and throw the ball and they will still dissect your defense apart, they can operate as pocket passes as well as be improvisational geniuses. Jackson and Murray don't have that. Plus Murray is a pouty, petulant douchenozzle. Jackson is a good guy, but limited. Murray is a grade one jerk.

 

[Alan]

Black QBs in "they can only run" shocker.

Murray and Jackson both finished last season comfortably in the top 20 by QBR. They can pass. "Take away their running and they are both trash" is an astounding accusation to level at them.

 

[Tony Towner]

Not putting them in the Top 20 of a list of 28 means the likes of Carr, Cousins and Roethlisberger are ahead of them which feels like an Adrian Durham type of hot take for the sake of it

 

[Deano]

Cousins probably gets underrated a fair bit. If you look at neutral comments about him people seem to think he is average to bad - if you look at his actual performances and numbers they are generally very good.

The issues with Cousins is that he doesn't have great mobility and the Vikings O Line is fucking shit, which is not a good combination. They should really consider looking at trading him as they keep extending him and kicking the issue down the road - next season his cap his is $45m the only other way out of that is another extension tying him in as the QB1 for even longer or just accepting they're going to be bad for a couple of years.

 

[Dire Wolf]

Black QBs in "they can only run" shocker.

Murray and Jackson both finished last season comfortably in the top 20 by QBR. They can pass. "Take away their running and they are both trash" is an astounding accusation to level at them.

If you want to accuse me of being racist, go ahead and say it. You'd be more wrong than it is possible to be, but go for it. It is my opinion, having witnessed their play on numerous occasions when defenses have successfully contained their running abilities (admittedly not frequently), that they are at best average passing QBs. At best. Jackson has looked like trash, yes, a number of games when his ability to take off and run has been stopped. Absolute trash. I must be racist... what an ass clown.

 

[Alan]

I don't recall saying that you're anything.

Black QBs are constantly being judged by their athleticism above all else, and it's been this way for ages. That you didn't realize you were poking a hornet's nest of racial history doesn't mean you didn't poke it.

The fact is that the stats don't particularly back up what you're saying.

 

[Dire Wolf]

I don't recall saying that you're anything.

Black QBs are constantly being judged by their athleticism above all else, and it's been this way for ages. That you didn't realize you were poking a hornet's nest of racial history doesn't mean you didn't poke it.

The fact is that the stats don't particularly back up what you're saying.

I completely know and understand the racial history, thank you very much you condescending prick. The fact is you were blatantly calling out my post as racist, whilst actually avoiding saying it. Aside from that you made a complete straw man argument, conveniently ignoring the fact that I'd put Mahomes and Watson in the category of excellent passing QBs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but last I checked they weren't white...

If you want to get into racial history, go for it, I'll gladly bring up my family history and my track record of anti-racist activism. What is your record on standing up against racism, aside from being a patronising asshole on the internet?

 

[Alan]

As always, someone can say or do something racially charged without being racist themselves.

If you knew the history and still chose to go that route, I can't say anything else. So I won't. Cheers.

 

[Dire Wolf]

You're the one making it about race, not me.

 

[The Bear]

So you're not allowed to criticise their game outside their running, or say it's the strongest part of their game, or it's racially charged?

QBs who can run the ball and work outside the pocket is becoming increasingly valuable in the NFL, and they often get drafted because of it over their other qualities.

 

[Dennisons Wrong Foot]

To be fair to Alan, he is correct in what he says. In the US black athletes are judged differently to white ones - especially QBs. Several NFL teams looked upon Jackson as a WR not a QB - as an athlete not an intelligent person.
Such comments may not actually be racially charged, but they appear to be because they too often are racist.