The Manager Sacked/Hired Thread 2022/23

[AndyWolves]

Brendan Rodgers gone

 

[Alan]

Not sure what good that does them at this stage of the season, tbh.

 

[jd1981]

It’s a case of new manager bounce gets them safe

 

[Alan]

I get that that's the idea, I just think "new manager bounce" is a red herring.

 

[Tony Towner]

It's too late for a new manager to do anything themselves, however if the players hate Rodgers that could be enough

 

[AndyWolves]

I get that that's the idea, I just think "new manager bounce" is a red herring.

I think it's a statistically proven thing, before teams tend to regress back to where they were.

 

[Johnny75]

I think it's a statistically proven thing, before teams tend to regress back to where they were.

Got to have a new manager first. Doesn't apply to caretakers iirc

 

[Alan]

I think it's a statistically proven thing, before teams tend to regress back to where they were.

Yeah the correlation is there but what I've read basically leads me to believe that it's difficult to separate the "bounce" from a team's performances simply returning to the mean (which will have been an improvement, given that most managers who get sacked do so because of a run of form that puts them below that mean).

Anywho, if they get in someone really good, fair enough. But will they? In April?

 

[PuntsWolf]

I think it's a statistically proven thing, before teams tend to regress back to where they were.

But it was confounded by managers often getting sacked after a tough run of fixtues, injured players returning, getting “the rub of the green”

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

But it was confounded by managers often getting sacked after a tough run of fixtues, injured players returning, getting “the rub of the green”

And also what if you just appoint someone shit, like we did with Saunders or Southampton did with Jones?

You don't get it by default.

People* always suggest Allardyce as the exponent of getting teams out of danger but in reality he tends to start really, really badly before he can sign the mutants he wants.



*TalkSPORT pundits and listeners

 

[AndyWolves]

But it was confounded by managers often getting sacked after a tough run of fixtues, injured players returning, getting “the rub of the green”

Yep, kinda like the opposite of the manager of the month curse

 

[Alan]

Or Southampton again with Gracia?

There's also some players that no manager will ever be able to reach. I bet Podence has had every coach he's every played for tell him that his Cruyff-turns are shit; he still does them every chance he gets.

Shocker of shockers, shit teams will probably have a handful of those types.

 

[AndyWolves]

Yeah the correlation is there but what I've read basically leads me to believe that it's difficult to separate the "bounce" from a team's performances simply returning to the mean (which will have been an improvement, given that most managers who get sacked do so because of a run of form that puts them below that mean).

Anywho, if they get in someone really good, fair enough. But will they? In April?

I think it's one of those where correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation. But it might if you're binning off a useless manager for someone good.

But as you, and others have said, it's rarely just one factor. I think sometimes clubs do it because it's the only thing they can do

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

But as you, and others have said, it's rarely just one factor. I think sometimes clubs do it because it's the only thing they can do

Yep. Quick fix and all that.

Like we all knew a year ago that we had multiple issues but changing 8-10 players in and out isn't necessarily easy, whereas sacking some shitmuncher and his cone collecting brother is dead easy, just go and find someone better than that.

Or don't sack him and bin a season in advance for no reason, whichever.

 

[AndyWolves]

An article from the pl showing the new manager bounce data. Before anyone jumps in I know this is purely data and doesn't show any of the underlying factors

History shows clubs will get 'new manager bounce'

We look at the data to show the effect managerial changes have had on immediate results

www.premierleague.com

 

[sycophantia]

Was hoping he'd last till we play them, depends who they bring in. Probably from Leicesters and Rogers pov, it's best all round, they tend to sell their best players and have bought decent players in the past, don't think they have the money any more. They've gone stale under Rogers. He'll get another job no problem and Leicester get a chance to go for the 'new manager bounce' option, hopefully it fails dismally.

 

[Lupo]

Rafa is predictably an early favourite

 

[Kenny]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1642604277704040448

 

[sycophantia]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1642604277704040448

Bugger, was hoping we'd be the trigger for that.

 

[The Bear]

Potter to Leicester.

Nagelman to Chelsea.

Spurs left kicking their heels in the dust.