The Incoming Transfers Everywhere Thread: Summer 2023

[Elephant Pyjamas]

We did need a clear out as we've not been very good for 3 seasons. The problem is if the things that are being reported come to pass, ive got massive scepticism that they can be trusted to get the replacements right.

January was a good window on the whole but its a small sample size to say we've turned the corner with Hobbs, we still overpaid for Cunha and Sarabia hasn't had the impact we'd hoped yet so it wasn't an unqualified success by any means. Not sure who's making some of the decisions but it doesn't really matter as the end result is the same. Doherty is the shittest, laziest of signings the only "justifications" I've seen are "knows the club" (bollocks statement that means nothing) and "he's free."

I've gone on record as saying I don't think Kilman is as bad as some make out on here but he is at best a mid table/lower half CB, yet we are not only rejecting bids of North of 30m for him but we are giving him a new deal on more money when he still has 3 years on his current deal, they don't know what we need or how to value players correctly.

You've summed it all up perfectly.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I think a lot of us feel that replacing what we’ve got with worse than that doesn’t tangibly change the season’s outcome. You have to at least try.

I think big change is dangerous, and we are already seeing a significant change with us because our best player/talisman/captain has left.

Getting rid of lots of squad players who got us to a steady 13th is way down my list of essentials.

Selling Sa now potentially too? Not for me, we already have enough holes in the squad without another one.

 

[Alan]

Table don’t lie, but 13th flatters. You saw us; yeah, we stayed up comfortably but those matches against Brighton and Arsenal weren’t flukes.

 

[Kenny]

I can't see why Sa would move to Forest to be a back up. Henderson isn't joining them to sit on the bench
Can't see that one happening.

 

[Jinky]

I can't see why Sa would move to Forest to be a back up. Henderson isn't joining them to sit on the bench
Can't see that one happening.

I read it that they’d only go for Sa if they don’t get Henderson.

 

[PuntsWolf]

He was dropped when that system and team didn't work by the greatest Wolves manager in many of our lifetimes.

He didn’t get dropped? He played nearly all the games for a team finishing 7th twice, FA cup semi, and EL QF. He was then sold, replaced for over double the cost and probably 3x the wages by someone performing worse in the same system. And in the 3 seasons since we have not got near those heights (not saying it’s because he left)

 

[Alan]

Imagine Doc comes back and we go on to qualify for Europe. Just imagine the scale of the cognitive dissonance.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Doherty never ever scored more than 4 league goals in a season. He was never a scoring machine.

As for assists, he's worse at crossing than Mark Rankine was.

What are you saying is a good return then?

3rd top goal scorer in both seasons. We weren’t exactly a scoring machine.

9 (16) goal contributions in the first season, 7 (10) in the second. We can say what we like about his ability but you can’t argue with those stats. Saying those stats aren’t that great is just plain wrong.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It's a decent return. It's that he's painted as a free scoring defender and he really wasn't.

He's also a dreadful defender.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

There can't have been many(any?) non penalty taking defenders who scored more over those seasons?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Just picked a likely candidate, Alonso scored 25 in 6 seasons at Chelsea.

Was also an awful defender.

It's just that FOUR isn't many, is it. You'd think he was nudging 10 a year with the way people go on.

 

[PuntsWolf]

It’s a great return in a team like Wolves! João Cancelo got 8 contributions when he was being lauded in the most attacking team in the league. Reece James got 14 in a one off season for Chelsea! These are some of the best in the world and still statiscally worse

Pedro Porro is a woeful defender and Spurs spent a decent whack on him for what he does at the other end.

There’s a very long list of FBs/WBs who can’t defend but are in the team for other reasons. Some of them cost fuck loads too.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Just picked a likely candidate, Alonso scored 25 in 6 seasons at Chelsea.

Was also an awful defender.

It's just that FOUR isn't many, is it. You'd think he was nudging 10 a year with the way people go on.

Criticise him for being a crap right back, that's fine.

But criticising him for his goal scoring and creating just makes you look hate filled.

I'll ask again, how many goals did Bull score for Wolves?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I don't know why you're trying to pick at me all the time lately. Easy target I guess.

I generally quote league goals only as that's an even metric. You could have some shithouse striker who scores 1 all season in the league but got 6 in two FA Cup games against Marine and Chorley. Is 1 or 7 the more useful number?

 

[PuntsWolf]

It's just that FOUR isn't many, is it. You'd think he was nudging 10 a year with the way people go on.

3rd top goalscorer twice is pretty significant.
Contributing to 25% of our league goals (before you consider he doesn’t take set pieces) in 18/19 and 16% in 19/20, those are massive.

Obviously the numbers increase if we include all comps, but the PL stats are strong enough on their own.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I don't know why you're trying to pick at me all the time lately. Easy target I guess.

I've always found your criticism of Doherty over the top, this isn't new. Nor is me challenging it.

 

[Wolftone]

It's a decent return. It's that he's painted as a free scoring defender and he really wasn't.

He's also a dreadful defender.

I don't think it's that so much as the fact that he scored one or two goals in a team that couldn't score many goals. The fact that he wasn't a great defender didn't matter so much in a five man defence.
The system suited Doc and Wolves at the time and was very successful - to a point.
The idea that going to a back four would create more goals was touted as being the panacea to our goalscoring problems.
Selling Doherty (and Jota) made sense at the time as Neto was waiting in the wings (and to me looked like he would become world class) plus wed got Semedo and Hoever as 'better' defenders than Doherty.
Then Neto and Jimenez were injured and the rest is history.
No Doherty, no Jota, no Jimenez, no Neto - not enough goals.
Besides which a defence lacking organisation (with Coady leaving) and a lesser goalkeeper.
All in all a mess with some rank bad luck thrown in.
DO I want Doherty back though? Not really, can't see a benefit to us tbh.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I generally quote league goals only as that's an even metric. You could have some shithouse striker who scores 1 all season in the league but got 6 in two FA Cup games against Marine and Chorley. Is 1 or 7 the more useful number?

So in your mind Bull only scored 250 goals for Wolves.

 

[HanDoJin]

I’d sooner Doc on the right than Adama

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I wouldn’t in a million years unless you specifically meant right wing back