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The FFS Burnley 1 Wolves 1 Verdict thread

Not to keep taking this off topic, but I always thought (maybe I'm being naive) that the use of 'pussy' for female genatalia was an American thing that has become adopted over here. The use of pussy in the UK, meaning scared, comes from scaredy cat, and pussy being another name for a cat in the UK! I'm probably being completely naive though as I said.

I think you have this spot on! If someone calls me a cunt, they are referring to that part of the female anatomy and it usually is derogative (sp), my reply, "yes, but cunts are useful, ". Calling me a pussy means you think I was scared or wimped out on something, basically as you say, a scaredy cat, or a wimp. See no sexual connotations with being called a PUSSY at all.
 
Looking back at the Lallana shoulder goal and comparing it to decisions given in the Burnley v Bournemouth and Vile v Palace!

If you are giving the Lallana one, Burnley don't get a penalty and Palace score.
 
I think you have this spot on! If someone calls me a cunt, they are referring to that part of the female anatomy and it usually is derogative (sp), my reply, "yes, but cunts are useful, ". Calling me a pussy means you think I was scared or wimped out on something, basically as you say, a scaredy cat, or a wimp. See no sexual connotations with being called a PUSSY at all.

Those laughing at Are you being served might see things differently! I do agree with the cat reference rather than the anatomy one.
 
I wish you lot would stop fannying around over which insults you find, well, insulting.
 
Any counter argument or just want to chuck insults about? Fwiw and this isn't some form of subtle bragging my I have a degree and Masters are in Criminology and Criminal Justice. I learnt this from my penology lecturer - a prisons researcher who has served an extended amount of time for murder before turning his life around. Obviously the word is no longer used by screws because of its connotations.

Please, tell me more on how you know different. If you can.
You have a Master's degree and defend an assertion with 'My teacher said!'? Just wow. Anyway, I'll take your request in good faith and expand upon what I said, though I wasn't insulting you and if you really wanted to critically engage with your lecturer's claims, a brief perusal of any etymological dictionary should suffice.

Explaining the origin of a word using acronyms is much too convoluted to survive Occam's Razor. We've got a word for everything, why would some words (and they're nearly always insults and swear words, revealingly) be meticulously formed out of the initials of others? I've had people try to convince me (or ask me to confirm) that "Fuck" stands for "Fornication Under the Consent of the King" or that "Pom" means "Prisoner of His Majesty." These explanations ('backronyms') are appealling on a very simplistic level but it only requires a bit of common sense to see through them. In the case of "Nonce": if a certain kind of prisoner is partitioned from others for his own safety, because it is universally accepted by the rest of the inmates that his crimes make him sub-human, isn't it likely that they've already got a word for the sort of person he is? Or did the cons refer to them as child-molesters, pederasts and paedophiles up until the moment the screws realized their lives were in danger?

From memory, the word "nonce" is much older than the Victorian buildings where it is supposed to have been coined. One of its more traditional meanings is "fool" or "simpleton" which I would suggest is a fairly short step away from its current usage. That's not as tidy an explanation as the backronym, but languages are messy systems that evolve mysteriously over time, rather than secret codes invented by ten-year-olds.

Of course, you could argue that I don't know that your assertion is wrong, any more than your teacher knows it's right (unless he was in the room when the screws invented it, and disseminated the word among his peers -- who, in turn, unthinkingly and somewhat surprisingly adopted Prison Officer jargon as their own slang at his suggestion). But I don't have to look this up to know there will be no reliable source to confirm it. There never is. If you want to live in a world where "Gringo" comes from "Green coat", and to impress the great unread with your 'knowledge', you go right ahead. Sooner or later, though, some former lecturer in Modern Languages will call Believable Until Logically Lessened by Studiously Having It Tested. Or 'Bullshit', for short.
 
What about ponce?

I've always took it to mean somebody that's a bit soft (or yampy... :icon_lol: ), maybe even a pussy, if you will. But for my Mrs, it's somebody that's always scabbing stuff off people. "can I ponce a fag", "fucks sake he's always poncing off me". Just weird.
 
I think you have this spot on! If someone calls me a cunt, they are referring to that part of the female anatomy and it usually is derogative (sp), my reply, "yes, but cunts are useful, ". Calling me a pussy means you think I was scared or wimped out on something, basically as you say, a scaredy cat, or a wimp. See no sexual connotations with being called a PUSSY at all.

It is also dependent on where somenone comes from.
I rarely use the word Cunt.

I have heard people saying i'll kick yer cunt in, thats not slang for a Vag in that context.

I have a lot of friends from London, Cunt or rather Caaant is used constantly
 
What about ponce?

I've always took it to mean somebody that's a bit soft (or yampy... :icon_lol: ), maybe even a pussy, if you will. But for my Mrs, it's somebody that's always scabbing stuff off people. "can I ponce a fag", "fucks sake he's always poncing off me". Just weird.

Yampy is someone who's soft in the head, rahter than soft.
Yampy will screw with ,Alan
 
Apologies all, I think I contributed in taking this thread off course yesterday. Its clearly all bollocks now and needs archiving in the rubbish bin. Or a transfer to the Oatcake.
 
You have a Master's degree and defend an assertion with 'My teacher said!'? Just wow. Anyway, I'll take your request in good faith and expand upon what I said, though I wasn't insulting you and if you really wanted to critically engage with your lecturer's claims, a brief perusal of any etymological dictionary should suffice.

Explaining the origin of a word using acronyms is much too convoluted to survive Occam's Razor. We've got a word for everything, why would some words (and they're nearly always insults and swear words, revealingly) be meticulously formed out of the initials of others? I've had people try to convince me (or ask me to confirm) that "Fuck" stands for "Fornication Under the Consent of the King" or that "Pom" means "Prisoner of His Majesty." These explanations ('backronyms') are appealling on a very simplistic level but it only requires a bit of common sense to see through them. In the case of "Nonce": if a certain kind of prisoner is partitioned from others for his own safety, because it is universally accepted by the rest of the inmates that his crimes make him sub-human, isn't it likely that they've already got a word for the sort of person he is? Or did the cons refer to them as child-molesters, pederasts and paedophiles up until the moment the screws realized their lives were in danger?

From memory, the word "nonce" is much older than the Victorian buildings where it is supposed to have been coined. One of its more traditional meanings is "fool" or "simpleton" which I would suggest is a fairly short step away from its current usage. That's not as tidy an explanation as the backronym, but languages are messy systems that evolve mysteriously over time, rather than secret codes invented by ten-year-olds.

Of course, you could argue that I don't know that your assertion is wrong, any more than your teacher knows it's right (unless he was in the room when the screws invented it, and disseminated the word among his peers -- who, in turn, unthinkingly and somewhat surprisingly adopted Prison Officer jargon as their own slang at his suggestion). But I don't have to look this up to know there will be no reliable source to confirm it. There never is. If you want to live in a world where "Gringo" comes from "Green coat", and to impress the great unread with your 'knowledge', you go right ahead. Sooner or later, though, some former lecturer in Modern Languages will call Believable Until Logically Lessened by Studiously Having It Tested. Or 'Bullshit', for short.

Good post, Gonby. I believe nonce is from the Lincolnshire slang for a fool/stupid person. There's also a suggestion that it's a shortening of 'not once' as in the plea of an accused. And that it might be a corruption of 'nance' as in 'nancy boy.' Not on Communal Exercise may fit 'nonce' nicely, but it certainly isn't the origin of the word.
 
Back on the football (sorry) Burnley's xG yesterday was 1.61. Given that a peno is 0.75 and Wood's miss must have been 0.8 that means we restricted them to 0.26 until 5 minutes of madness, which are now likely to cost us a top 6 place.
 
Back on the football (sorry) Burnley's xG yesterday was 1.61. Given that a peno is 0.75 and Wood's miss must have been 0.8 that means we restricted them to 0.26 until 5 minutes of madness, which are now likely to cost us a top 6 place.

It also shows how much we fucked up in those last 5 minutes
 
Back on the football (sorry) Burnley's xG yesterday was 1.61. Given that a peno is 0.75 and Wood's miss must have been 0.8 that means we restricted them to 0.26 until 5 minutes of madness, which are now likely to cost us a top 6 place.
0.75 + 0.8 = 1.55

1.61 - 1.55 = 0.06
 
No worries, hospitals have the same effect on me. Hope your wife is OK.
 
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