The Cricket Thread

[Tony Towner]

On the T20 discussion the none Test grounds sides in the South seem to keep their best players for longer than those in the North. Anyone has a decent season at Northants, Leics or Worcs and they are off. Doesn't seem to happen with the same regularity at Sussex, Somerset and Essex which makes for a stronger league.
Doesn't explain why the teams that pick them up fail at the 1/4 final stage other than not being battle tested.

All that said having the knockout stage nearly 2 months after the group has finished almost makes it a separate competition, but I won't go there again

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

You also now have the farce whereby Sussex and Surrey (not that I shed any tears for the latter) won't have their best XI available for Finals Day because it's in the middle of an England T20I series.

 

[Tony Towner]

You also now have the farce whereby Sussex and Surrey (not that I shed any tears for the latter) won't have their best XI available for Finals Day because it's in the middle of an England T20I series.

Warwickshire (sic) wouldn't have Mousley or Bethell either when they'd expect to given it's their first call up and are young up and coming players who've come through the system.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Mark Wood won't be on the Pak/NZ tours

 

[Tony Towner]

Another ¼ final bottle job. For a team that probably over invests in the format, it's pathetic really.
4/4 for the South

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Poor management of the chase, I love Sam Hain but a terrible shot.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Well then the north needs to work on player retention. I’m sure Somerset have lost players too. Overton springs to mind.

 

[Sniffer]

I’d be happy with the previous name retention.

 

[Tony Towner]

Birmingham has gone, its only Sky that still use it. Just Bears on anything from the club

 

[Sniffer]

It’s a shit schedule for the tournament. Great form in the group to get into the quarters? Ah well can you repeat it 2 months later?
The bears bottle it each year regardless anyway.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Well I wonder what clownshow causes that two month break?

The hundred is destroying county cricket

 

[Tredman]

Lack of money and spectators is destroying county cricket. The appetite for longer games is no longer there.

 

[Tony Towner]

That's not true when it comes to domestic T20. Crowds are still healthy, Edgbaston was ¾ full tonight. The issue is the ECB pushing it to the margins for political reasons

 

[Johnny75]

Lack of money and spectators is destroying county cricket. The appetite for longer games is no longer there.

Sticking it behind a paywall doesn't help and making county cricket only accessible to posh twats is reducing the pool of quality cricketers.

The sooner the posh twats are binned from leadership positions the better.

Personally I'd ban pay for tuition schemes and fund the counties properly. But that means a lot of stuffed blazer posh cunts have to die first.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

fifty over county game used to get crowds. As a second XI competition it now does not.

4 day games were never hugely crowd driven but the best world players came over to play from the seventies onward. Now they don’t because the IPL is the money. However. The test team development is now non existent in the counties too.

So much of it is because the ECB took three vibrant competitions and fucked them all for one shit idea

 

[Johnny75]

fifty over county game used to get crowds. As a second XI competition it now does not.

4 day games were never hugely crowd driven but the best world players came over to play from the seventies onward. Now they don’t because the IPL is the money. However. The test team development is now non existent in the counties too.

So much of it is because the ECB took three vibrant competitions and fucked them all for one shit idea

This just isn't true on any level no matter how much you think it is.

The problem is far deeper.

 

[Tony Towner]

It's the reason the 50 over competition is a reserve competition now, the T20 has had it's knockout stages moved to the Autumn and we didn't play Test cricket last year or next in August. It's not why Championship cricket is struggling though, that's deeper and predates The Hundred by a good decade

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Really?

I disagree profoundly

I watched Viv and Joel at Taunton. They played in 4 day. 59 and 60 over formats as T29 was yet to be born.

Sachin was at Yorks. Hadlee. Imran Wasim Warne. All played all available county formats.

After the birth of T20 the 60 over format died and was replaced by it.

All the counties still played all formats.

Now half the counties are disenfranchised from the only format the ECB cares about. 50 over is for second XI and the four day loses the best two months of conditions for one thing. The hundred

 

[Johnny75]

Really?

I disagree profoundly

I watched Viv and Joel at Taunton. They played in 4 day. 59 and 60 over formats as T29 was yet to be born.

Sachin was at Yorks. Hadlee. Imran Wasim Warne. All played all available county formats.

After the birth of T20 the 60 over format died and was replaced by it.

All the counties still played all formats.

Now half the counties are disenfranchised from the only format the ECB cares about. 50 over is for second XI and the four day loses the best two months of conditions for one thing. The hundred

I don't have much love for the 50 over format even though that's what I played through my whole cricket playing days.

I think the longer format will always be there and that won't change as that is the real money spinner but as @Tony Towner says the damage was done long before the T20 format was established. The posh twats, public school and cash for tuition has killed progress to the county system and only systematic change is the answer.

Having Strauss, Key and other assorted posh twats in charge is the death knell in the end for quality cricketers in this country.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Really?

I disagree profoundly

I watched Viv and Joel at Taunton. They played in 4 day. 59 and 60 over formats as T29 was yet to be born.

Sachin was at Yorks. Hadlee. Imran Wasim Warne. All played all available county formats.

After the birth of T20 the 60 over format died and was replaced by it.

All the counties still played all formats.

Now half the counties are disenfranchised from the only format the ECB cares about. 50 over is for second XI and the four day loses the best two months of conditions for one thing. The hundred

Wasim and Warne aside (and even Warne was pushing 20 years), you're going back way, way, way too far there for it to be relevant

Sachin at Yorkshire was nearly 35 years ago and other examples years before that