Summer 2021 transfer window

[MARKakaJIM]

It isn’t pretence for gods sake. It’s what we did. And yes we hugely overpaid to do so. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Which of the big boys were after him?

I'd never heard of him before he rocked up at Wolves, if the likes of Real Madrid are chasing someone then it usually becomes newsworthy and the individual becomes known, like Vinicius Junior who they signed a similar age I know similarly nothing about beyond his name.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Manchester City for definite

 

[AndyWolves]

If Fabio fails, the transfer fee will be the biggest factor and the expectation that comes with it.

I see a lot of 'the fee is irrelevant', 'he didn't ask to be bought for that', 'he's only 18' all of which is fair, but in the eyes of many, probably the majority of fans he's our record signing and that trumps any of the age or development factors. If we'd paid half of that the mitigating factors would be consisdered more.

I guarantee if fans had been in the stadium his miss on Thursday would have got the Molineux sigh. I hope his finishing improves next season or he's mentally tough, he's fortunate this year that he's not been exposed to what the real expectation is yet.

The normal response to posts like this is 'well our fans our dickheads', which may well be the case, but it doesn't alter the reality.

Totally, but we won't know the success / failure for at least another few years.

The fact that Fabio is still getting into those positions and not hiding bodes well, for me anyways.

 

[prawnking]

If posters are accused (by others, not myself) of not supporting the side then maybe they should look at what they are posting

Why should they? You haven't.

I'd rather no one was accused of not being supportive and I'd rather being called 'negative' and 'not a Wolves fan' were extremely rare and reserved mainly for trolls, but that isn't the case, is it? Not a big fan of 'rules are for other people', which is why I'll always point it out.

We have to be 'glass half full' and supportive of Wolves players, unless it's the scapegoat of the week, then we can call them brainless, call for their transfer every week and downplay their achievements. I think the latter, especially, is out of order

 

[Tony Towner]

Totally, but we won't know the success / failure for at least another few years.

The fact that Fabio is still getting into those positions and not hiding bodes well, for me anyways.

My point is he won't be allowed another few years, he'll be broken by the expectation. He needs to be on an upward trajectory next season.

Look at MGW for an example of how fans treat players once they've made their minds up

 

[AndyWolves]

My point is he won't be allowed another few years, he'll broken by the expectation. He needs to be on an upward trajectory next season

Not in the current state, I'd agree, but that would be a failure on the club to not give him the right environment. When Rauls back a lot of the pressure will be off him.

 

[Tony Towner]

Not in the current state, I'd agree, but that would be a failure on the club to not give him the right environment. When Rauls back a lot of the pressure will be off him.

That I agree with.

 

[Paul]

I'd rather no one was accused of not being supportive and I'd rather being called 'negative' and 'not a Wolves fan' were extremely rare and reserved mainly for trolls, but that isn't the case, is it? Not a big fan of 'rules are for other people', which is why I'll always point it out.

There is a difference between being a fan and being a supporter or supportive, I personally don't think the majority of the posts on the matchday threads are in any way 'supportive' but I have never thought that you all aren't fans

 

[redvictor]

Interesting that integrating Adama is acceptable to some fans, but no way they could afford that luxury to Fabio.

I havent downplayed his contributions last season, at times he was superb and contributed to victories. It's just that isnt regularly enough.

The first season he was poor, second season good (very good in parts) this season dreadful.

The issue with Adama is that if he isnt getting crosses in (and not behind the goal, but in the box) he doesnt bring anything else to the party.

For me he isnt worth persisting with, for others he is. Opinions hey.

Anyway, I'm done with discussing him. He will start tomorrow, I will hope he does well and we win.

There's a big difference in the players though. Adama is built like a bull, has speed that would put him in the top 5 runners in the NFL, and draws 3 players over to him when he has the ball. Fabio is built like a someone who has never seen a gym in his life, has the speed of a turtle, and defenders don't even bother marking him in the box.
If you are choosing between the 2 players it's pretty obvious who you would pick right now.
I get Fabio is only 18, but we are talking the here and now, not 3 years down the line. I also get Adama has not got a football brain, and he could be so much more. But..... as a starting point right now i would take Adama all day long. You cannot coach speed and strength, but you can sure coach nouse, and tactics. Maybe our coaching staff need to work on that.
And yes, it's all opinions, so it's all good.

 

[redvictor]

My personal opinion (if it's worth a shit) on Fabio is he will certainly come good in a season or so. I think he wants to grow (physically and mentally) and has the drive. He's certainly got a football brain. You can see his movement is very good for his age.
The scouting team looked at him for 2 years before buying him, so they will have seen the atributes they were looking for in a player.
35 million? It's a lot of money, but i guess if you really want a player then you pay the going rate. It's too much for me, but i'm not a football scout or Fosun/Nuno.

I agree with others here that the one thing that has saved him this season is no fans. He'd have probably been sitting in a dark cupboard rocking whilst sucking his thumb if they'd have been at the games he's missed "easy" chances. Blooding young kids into a cauldron isn't the best way to go about it, but i get why it was done.

When/if the team settles into decent results then i think it will be easier for him, likewise when Raul returns. I certainly wouldn't write him off yet. He needs at least a couple of years to grow into the team, albeit as an understudy to Raul (and maybe WJ if he stays), which in fairness was how it was planned.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

I didn’t my friend. The other games were in the championship as we weren’t a premier club. It had nothing to do with suiting a narrative MGW has had plenty of chances to show what he can do and hasn’t really taken them.

But you did mate
You listed all prem for others and all games for MGW.
In part your right, he has plenty of opportunities in training, i thought he did well against Southampton and would.like to see us play
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With MGW Neto, and Traore.

 

[prawnking]

There is a difference between being a fan and being a supporter or supportive, I personally don't think the majority of the posts on the matchday threads are in any way 'supportive' but I have never thought that you all aren't fans

I've always been supportive at matches. I don't boo Wolves players or call for manager's heads.

Being critical and even having a moan on a forum is a completely different environment. It has no effect on the players or club, and frankly this season has seen plenty to critique. I sometimes read posts myself and think they're OTT negative but I rarely feel the need to correct people about their right to moan or guilt trip them by saying they make me not want to post. I might disagree with the specifics of the criticism, that's not the same thing as charging in with blanket 'you should be ashamed of your negativity', which happens every single matchday.

And I have definitely seen posters accused of not being Wolves fans or asked why they bother being Wolves fans. It's nonsense to pretend it doesn't happen.

 

[GLASGOWOLF]

He could become the best striker there ever was. That still doesn’t hide the fact we have massively overpaid.

I don’t why people pretend that isn’t the case and we “scared away the big boys”

If he becomes the best striker around and is wirth say What Kane is worth now, we have paid the right amount.

 

[big mean bunny]

I remember Ronaldo playing at the Mol when we won 1-0. He was utter shite and we were all singing 'You're not the real Ronaldo'. Let's give Silva a chance eh?

I attended most the Old Trafford games during his debut year though and for every game like that he had another game, half, 20 minute spell where you were like "this kid looks immense" seen nothing comparable from Silva, I felt he looked okay originally but the more it goes on the more I feel those saying he has the uncoachable elements, are forcing themselves to see them. I would like to see him in a two, but the issue is not with WJ as don't think that would work.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

But you did mate
You listed all prem for others and all games for MGW.
In part your right, he has plenty of opportunities in training, i thought he did well against Southampton and would.like to see us play
4
2
3
1
With MGW Neto, and Traore.

You’re right I did but not for the reason you stated. It was the 4 seasons since they all won the u17 World Cup and one of those we were a championship side. Not arguing, just clarifying.
As regards Fabio am happy to nail my colours to a mast and say he will never be a great player. He does not have natural pace , enough strength or individual skill. Ronaldo had two of those at his age or close to it. Not really a fan. Nice lad but I haven’t seen anything to suggest he will be close to the next Ronaldo or Kane in 5 years which is where he was pitched on signing.

Neto was seen as a favour signing initially but within half a dozen games most of us saw something we really liked and he progressed from there. Poor Fabio has not. MGW hasn’t either, but probably needs half a dozen games in his best position to prove it either way. I will give him that. If you asked me if he would take the chance I lean strongly towards no about 70/30.
Vitinha looks lightweight and not a 10. But a CM Again, play him there or don’t bother and don’t sign him up. RAN has had one good game and been bang average since. Again, he has to the end of the season.He , however, will come good so it may be worth paying up. However is to naive for a CB at the moment but it is probably his position in two or three seasons. We can’t wait that long but he is doing ok, if a bit naive. Can’t cross for toffee do must do better.
WJ on paper should be a good fit but has not shown it enough so far. Another where it’s too early to decide but I feel once he scores one he will score more.

 

[Paul]

I've always been supportive at matches. I don't boo Wolves players or call for manager's heads.

Being critical and even having a moan on a forum is a completely different environment. It has no effect on the players or club, and frankly this season has seen plenty to critique. I sometimes read posts myself and think they're OTT negative but I rarely feel the need to correct people about their right to moan or guilt trip them by saying they make me not want to post. I might disagree with the specifics of the criticism, that's not the same thing as charging in with blanket 'you should be ashamed of your negativity', which happens every single matchday.

And I have definitely seen posters accused of not being Wolves fans or asked why they bother being Wolves fans. It's nonsense to pretend it doesn't happen.

Agreed it has no effect on the players or the club, and as you point out the safety of a forum allows you to say things you wouldn't say in public , it doesn't make it a very nice place to be though does it ? I watch the game, and if RAN, Saiss, Donck, Podence, Semedo or Fabio makes a mistake I can almost guarantee what the next half a dozen posts on the matchday thread will be, that clamour to be the most outraged by the performance or the mismanagement to me is embarrassing, have you ever wondered why so many people don't go on the matchday thread anymore ?

 

[Johnny75]

I've always been supportive at matches. I don't boo Wolves players or call for manager's heads..

Genuine question but when was your last game and do you go often?

 

[redvictor]

Agreed it has no effect on the players or the club, and as you point out the safety of a forum allows you to say things you wouldn't say in public , it doesn't make it a very nice place to be though does it ? I watch the game, and if RAN, Saiss, Donck, Podence or Fabio makes a mistake I can almost guarantee what the next half a dozen posts on the matchday thread will be, that clamour to be the most outraged by the performance or the mismanagement to me is embarrassing, have you ever wondered why so many people don't go on the matchday thread anymore ?

Their is certainly truth in that post. I try not to post "you are shit xxxxx" on the matchday threads. Rather just say something but not blame a certain player. It's not just us though, and not just on here. Watch some of these live online blogs from stadiums to see how "fans" react to mistakes from players. It's whole world worse than here...

 

[Johnny75]

Their is certainly truth in that post. I try not to post "you are shit xxxxx" on the matchday threads. Rather just say something but not blame a certain player. It's not just us though, and not just on here. Watch some of these live online blogs from stadiums to see how "fans" react to mistakes from players. It's whole world worse than here...

But we’re not those places so the comparison isn’t valid.

 

[Paul]

Their is certainly truth in that post. I try not to post "you are shit xxxxx" on the matchday threads. Rather just say something but not blame a certain player. It's not just us though, and not just on here. Watch some of these live online blogs from stadiums to see how "fans" react to mistakes from players. It's whole world worse than here...

My pet hate at the minute is the amount of angry emojis under player photos on the facebook page from predominantly foreign names ?