REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Trips]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41585430

Talks still in deadlock and EU not willing to progress to next stage of Brexit talks, which would be trade deals, next week when EU leaders meet.

Still no agreements on exit bill or citizens rights

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

It's going really well so far, isn't it...

 

[lemonjelly]

stolen from elsewhere:

“Brexit : As an outside observer who has followed this closely this is what it looks like right now.

“You enter a basement dungeon of your own accord (referendum), slam the self locking door shut (leave vote), drop your trousers bend over and strap yourself into the conveniently placed restraints (trigger Article 50), throw some choice insults at the ominous hooded figure in the corner (Lancaster House speech) and now you expect that the next scene will involve a muscle relaxing massage that leaves you refreshed and energised.”

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ox-only-official-member-new-uk-board-of-trade

 

[leedswolf]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...xit-talks-position-revision-gdp-a8002871.html

 

[lemonjelly]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41648865
I am very firmly of the belief that the referendum and hate crime rises are inextricably linked.

 

[visage]

Lloyd Blankfein‏ Verified account
@lloydblankfein


Just left Frankfurt. Great meetings, great weather, really enjoyed it. Good, because I'll be spending a lot more time there. #Brexit

1:50 PM - 19 Oct 2017

That will be Lloyd Blankfein‏, CEO of Goldman Sachs.

 

[machin05]

Good luck finding a tasty blackcurrant jam in Frankfurt, Lloyd....

 

[Jolemai]

Europe Elects
@EuropeElects
UK: European Union Membership Referendum, Survation poll:

Remain

Scotland: 67%
London: 59%
Northern Ireland: 54%
Wales: 52%
England: 50%

No idea why leave votes are still so high.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Frankfurt is a spectacularly dull city. Still better than Brexit Britain though.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

No idea why leave votes are still so high.

If you head back to 2014 and the last EU elections UKIP polled in excess of 30% so it is probably fair to assume that the bulk of that is fairly robust opinion. The referendum was fairly polarising and opinions hardened and that was only 2 years ago and the narrative has become "us against them" which further hardens a position regardless of the reality of the situation.

 

[darlowolf64]

No idea why leave votes are still so high.

So extrapolating that out, Remain would have a bigger majority then Leave did at the referendum (56.4%)

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

A pre-referendum Treasury report on what no deal will mean:

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/921068161692205057

But hey, we should go ahead and do it. We just need to leave.

Anyone who believes in this needs sectioning for everyone's good.

 

[Tony Towner]

No idea why leave votes are still so high.

Graeme Souness was asked his view on Brexit on 5live yesterday in summary he doesn't want people he hasn't voted for making laws for his country and "we aren't called GREAT Britain for nothing". No economic forecasts are going to move people with that view into remain. It's my view that if the referendum was run again tomorrow, with the same campaigns the only difference in voting would be those who have turned 18 in the lasts year and a half voting remain and 18 months of deaths reducing the leave vote, we'd still vote out.

 

[visage]

Sigh.

EU has three parts -
European parliament - voted for by us.
Council of Ministers - made of of people voted for by us.
European Council - appointed by people voted for by us.

 

[visage]

Also if he's that devoted to 'controlling our own laws' he should surely have been in favour of Scottish independence, rather than publicly against it?

 

[Tony Towner]

Sigh.

EU has three parts -
European parliament - voted for by us.
Council of Ministers - made of of people voted for by us.
European Council - appointed by people voted for by us.

That's not new news though is it? My point is that the narrative which drove people's decision 18 months ago is still there. It's why it shouldn't have gone to a referendum in the first place, but that's a well trodden path.

 

[SLA]

Just a snapshot from my jury service of the 10 other people I've been sitting with all week. When the conversation turned to politics the general view in the room was that Theresa May was doing a good job, especially on Brexit and that all the old arguments of "the EU makes all our laws" "undemocratic" etc are still just as valid as they were two years ago. I'd say only one other person in the room shared my anti-Brexit position.

When I made the point that Vis has just made above, they looked at me like I was insane.

 

[Lupo]

Theresa May 'privately agrees' to a €40bn Brexit divorce bill

 

[visage]

Presumably that should be a b not an m?