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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Visage said:
Be honest. What do you think the problem is. Last chance...
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I think the problem is that people who are comfortable and have good jobs, are unable to see the problems of many people who feel that they are seeing their living standards fall ?
 
ProgWolf said:
I think the problem is that people who are comfortable and have good jobs, are unable to see the problems of many people who feel that they are seeing their living standards fall ?
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And what has that to do with Sparkbrook?
 
SLA said:
Why does it matter to you so much what a few random football fans think? It should be clear to you that, whole plenty of people share your views (even on here), plenty of others disagree with you and you're not going to persuade them otherwise.

Your side won the referendum, you're getting what you wanted on pretty much every measure, so I'm struggling to see why you're still so angry.
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I kind of agree with this, even though I'm on the other side of the arguament - people shouldn't get so worked up over what a bunch of people on a football forum think. Most people on here have really set views and will never change them. Most have similar views (left, liberal, remain etc), which mean they will always react to the kind of views prog is putting across.

My perspective is to enjoy the debate, it's interesting - but don't take personally what a bunch of people you will only ever meet in the context of a football match think, it's not worth getting het up about.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
Where the fuck am I supposed to live?!
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Depends. If you're middle class and living in leafy suburbia you need to move to Heath Town. If you're in Heath Town currently you get the opportunity to move to leafy suburbia.
 
I had to Visit the emergency care clinic in Melton mowbray yesterday. There were 22 of us. 11 were eastern European . 4 spoke no English or claimed not to.All were seen. I was among the last to be seen after about 1.5 hours. Now given the huge disparity in what EU countries give us in payment to what we pay out I see where this could be seen as an issue. To my knowledge Melton mowbray does not have a 50% eastern European population.

Now I don't see this post as racist. I am pointing out one reason that voters may feel the system is not working efficiently for the UK NHS . This is not an anecdote. Its a fact witnessed by me. I saw no additional forms filled out. No difference in treatment or care so I presume there was no difference between a UK citizen and an EU citizen. I was asked no differential question

My point is why the fuck are we not claiming this money back and reinvesting it in the NHS? NHS workers please let me know
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
What do you care if they come here? What are they doing that offends you so much?

The man from Lincolnshire (who you were very keen on hearing from) was asked for his opinion, he gave it. I've given you the video. You're now saying that he doesn't mean that, who are you to call him a liar?

You put the link up so I listened to it. Is that a problem ? Do you really think that people always say what they really think in front of a camera ? People are reluctant to openly say they have a problem with immigration through fear of being called a racist. It's been like that for years, mainly because of Blair, Mandelson and New Labour. As for the guy in the video, who am I to call him a liar ? I am giving my opinion.

Of all the video links you could have put up, why did you choose that one. Why do you think Lincs voted 70% to Leave ?

When I said 'We got to vote again' why have you responded so aggressively to that ? You liked being an EU Citizen. Millions of us see ourselves as English or British. Certainly not European. As for putting people in a Pigeonhole, we all do it everyday don't we ?

I really don't see the point in debating with you though. How can you have a rational debate with someone who is clearly so very angry with my points of view. I suggested that people who live in South Staffs may have a problem with understanding the concerns of working class people in an ethnically diverse council estate in Wolverhampton that has changed beyond all recognition over the last 10 years or so.
That is what really upset you. That's why you are so angry. I wasn't trying to pigeonhole you or judge you. I was just saying it as I saw it. Some of your opinions about me have annoyed me too. But we should both be old enough and ugly enough to take that on the chin.

I'm one of the people that didn't go into further education, leaving a comprehensive school at sixteen. You cant really expect me to have an intellectual debate can you. My first ban is looming soon from Vis. I've seen this thread for what it is. You will be pleased to hear that I really don't think I have the will to post on it much longer anyway. Based on much of what I have seen on here, I don't like many of the people that post on here. We only wind each other up and there are plenty more forums out there on the EU. Like SLR said, why should I care what a few football fans think about Immigration or the EU.
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Seen in 1.5 hours, well under the 4 hour maximum wait time. What's the issue?
 
Its OK to insinuate what people from Lincolnshire think, but when one of them actually expresses an opinion then we can dismiss it.
 
Please don't tell me why I disagree with you.
 
Visage said:
You've cited the population of Lincolnshire as an argument, and now you're asking why?
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Why did Lincs vote to Leave by 70% ? We base our opinions on that from numerous media. I thought it would be a good idea to hear the opinions of someone who actually lives in the area ?
 
Trips said:
Seen in 1.5 hours, well under the 4 hour maximum wait time. What's the issue?
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You don't think the numbers disproportionate? If 50% of stop and searches were made on eastern Europeans in Melton mowbay the Leicestershire crime commissioner would have questions to answer methinks, so why no questions on the disproportionate funds being reclaimed?
 
You know those Lincolnshire voters they voted Leave. You know why, right?

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Know what I mean?
 
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