REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Kenny]

Any chance of some help with this one? Bit of a time issue so could do with suggestions ASAP.

Stay in Darlo. Should fit all your needs including making friends with some people different to you and then you can fully appreciate the angst of people who can't live that way (or something like that)

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Sounds like Hackney might be a possibility. Waiting to hear.

Stay in Darlo. Should fit all your needs including making friends with some people different to you and then you can fully appreciate the angst of people who can't live that way (or something like that)

Commute isn't great there boys, was hoping for something in the green circle really but I'm not sure anywhere has the required immigrant quota to stop me from being a hypocrite.

 

[visage]

Seems appropriate:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...tures-doing-things-differently-20170315124030

 

[leedswolf]

https://extranewsfeed.com/50-dumb-fuck-reasons-for-leaving-the-eu-66a40c72c1da#.cwwgc4pai

 

[Lord Knows]

General question, When a government creates budgets for each area do they take into account density and changes to local population so that adequate funding is released for front line services such as Schooling and hospitals. Do they also plan for new Cities to be developed with the required road networks linking them to existing Cities. Where does the economic benefit go tax wise?

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

From reading through the last few pages I think I'm allowed to be a immigrant hugging remainer.

I live in Tipton which is not very leafy and deifnitely not very middle class so I meet Prog's criteria (although I did grow up in Penn which is definitely leafy so that may disqualify me).

My wife voted remain and she is on a zero hours contract so she may meet THM's criteria.

 

[thehistorymakers]

THM and ProgWolf are allowed to infer why entire counties voted the way they did, but the rest of us arent allowed to infer that those two are racists.

How strange.

I said I had an idea about why Hackney voted remain, that was based what I read in the media. I believe people basically voted according to their personal interests and I don't blame people for that. I have no problem if someone voted leave or remain. I do have a problem with obnoxious people who because they are OK, look down on other people.

 

[thehistorymakers]

From reading through the last few pages I think I'm allowed to be a immigrant hugging remainer.

I live in Tipton which is not very leafy and deifnitely not very middle class so I meet Prog's criteria (although I did grow up in Penn which is definitely leafy so that may disqualify me).

My wife voted remain and she is on a zero hours contract so she may meet THM's criteria.

Let's vote we can vote for a government who abolishes zero hour contracts.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

Let's vote we can vote for a government who abolishes zero hour contracts.

They are not all bad though. My wife's contract suits our current situation (well, apart from the minimum wage bit).

 

[So Long Architect]

Let's vote we can vote for a government who abolishes zero hour contracts.

My wife's on a zero hour contract and she wouldn't have it any other way. She actively lobbied against being put on a more formal contract as the way it works now suits her, and us as a family very well. As a rule i think zero hour contracts are not a good thing but sweeping generalisations tend not to be very useful.

 

[So Long Architect]

I said I had an idea about why Hackney voted remain, that was based what I read in the media. I believe people basically voted according to their personal interests and I don't blame people for that. I have no problem if someone voted leave or remain. I do have a problem with obnoxious people who because they are OK, look down on other people.

So what was your idea about why three-quarters (not all) of Hackney voted remain? You didn't elaborate.

 

[ProgWolf]

Unlike you I don't claim to know what other people think.

So you have absolutely no idea why people in those areas voted to Leave in such high numbers ?

Ever thought of a career in politics ?

 

[visage]

So you have absolutely no idea why people in those areas voted to Leave in such high numbers ?

Ever thought of a career in politics ?

Yup, I don't know. If you're saying you don't know either then that rather closes off that particular avenue, yes?

 

[ProgWolf]

THM and ProgWolf are allowed to infer why entire counties voted the way they did, but the rest of us arent allowed to infer that those two are racists.

How strange.

They voted that way because of their concerns about concentrated areas of mass immigration that they did not vote for.
They feel uncomfortable with such a large number of people coming to their towns.

But really, what is the point in all this. You will just shout racist at every opportunity so you don't have to register or debate these genuine concerns. A few people in Lincs. are happy with it, most are not. Why do they all have to be racists ?

 

[visage]

Should the government respond to fears that are grounded in things that aren't true?

 

[thehistorymakers]

Should the government respond to fears that are grounded in things that aren't true?

Are you saying that over 70% of the UK population are wrong to think that the infrastructure in their cities and living standards have dropped, is due to a high influx of people moving to their cities and towns?

Can you understand any reasons why people voted to leave the EU?

 

[ProgWolf]

Should the government respond to fears that are grounded in things that aren't true?

So 17.4 Million people were so thick that they didn't realise they were being lied to. The fact that so many of them had seen problems developing in front of their own eyes for years, with nobody listening to them, is obviously irrelevant. If you are happy to pretend that everything in your multicultural garden of utopia is rosy, then that's fine too. I love your left wing anti-white working class stereotype links too.

Keep dreaming baby.

 

[visage]

Are you saying that over 70% of the UK population are wrong to think that the infrastructure in their cities and living standards have dropped, is due to a high influx of people moving to their cities and towns?

Can you understand any reasons why people voted to leave the EU?

Good. Now we're getting somewhere.

Yes, immigrants place strains on infrastructure. They sue roads, the NHS, school places etc. But they also pay taxes. As do the 60-odd million 'natives'. If we can use the taxes paid by natives to provide the services natives need then why cant we use the taxes paid by immigrants to do likewise?

If you have 10% more people, paying 10% more taxes, why cant you provide 10% more school places/NHS services etc?

So two questions:

Is blaming immigrants a convenience for a government that is happy to take the tax receipts but doesnt want to spend the money?
WTF has this to do with the EU, given that even the government is saying that leaving the EU wont reduce immigration?

 

[Papper]

Perhaps it could be clarified as to what percentage of brown people you need to live near before you're allowed an opinion.

I was referring more to wealth inequality as I think the problems of multiculturalism may be more prevalent in the poorer areas than the areas where the wealthier 'professionals' reside. Places like Luton where they voted Brexit, where non-whites voted against the free movement of 'white' cheap labour or the poorer areas of Birmingham where Black and Asian tensions resulted in riots.

 

[Papper]

Good. Now we're getting somewhere.

Yes, immigrants place strains on infrastructure. They sue roads, the NHS, school places etc. But they also pay taxes. As do the 60-odd million 'natives'. If we can use the taxes paid by natives to provide the services natives need then why cant we use the taxes paid by immigrants to do likewise?

If you have 10% more people, paying 10% more taxes, why cant you provide 10% more school places/NHS services etc?

So two questions:

Is blaming immigrants a convenience for a government that is happy to take the tax receipts but doesnt want to spend the money?
WTF has this to do with the EU, given that even the government is saying that leaving the EU wont reduce immigration?

We've already done this one. The numbers of low paid immigrants that place demand on publics services is less and less balanced out by the wealthier who pay more. A low paid couple or single parent are taking more than they give if they send a child to school which alone costs the taxpayers over £3K a year. It's a completely false argument when the key figured relate to the collective population where tax receipts are far far lower than what needs spending on public services. There is a shift to low paid, low skilled jobs in the service industry and the likes of Starbucks and Hilton are panicking about their ready supply of low skilled, cheap labour.