Refereeing question

[Tredman]

He hasn't been banned because of the country of his affiliation, but because of his disgraceful behaviour. I would expect any referee who tried to manipulate a result to be banned for life.

Think you kinda missed the point, I guess you may be privileged to confidential information, but to date FIFA have not laid out the evidence for why he was banned yet?

If you watch any given football match numerous referees manipulate matches, whether this is incompetence or deliberate I don't know - what I would like to see is similar to happen to them. Unlikely though, as long as they manage to wear the correct kit they will be fine I imagine.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Think you kinda missed the point, I guess you may be privileged to confidential information, but to date FIFA have not laid out the evidence for why he was banned yet?

If you watch any given football match numerous referees manipulate matches, whether this is incompetence or deliberate I don't know - what I would like to see is similar to happen to them. Unlikely though, as long as they manage to wear the correct kit they will be fine I imagine.

I know a fair bit about this case, but if I made it public Visage would hang me from the nearest tree...

And yes referees do often manipulate matches through poor decision making, and often get a couple of weeks off as a result. But this case is on a totally different level.

 

[Tredman]

I know a fair bit about this case, but if I made it public Visage would hang me from the nearest tree...

And yes referees do often manipulate matches through poor decision making, and often get a couple of weeks off as a result. But this case is on a totally different level.

Couple of weeks off unpaid? Or a couple of weeks off on full pay with their feet up? No wonder they so often make mistakes.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Look out for the Niasse red card. Laughably bad refereeing

 

[AndyWolves]

Look out for the Niasse red card. Laughably bad refereeing

I can only think the ref thought he left his studs in near the other players knee

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I must admit to being disappointed at the penalty that Neil Swarbrick awarded to Manchester United yesterday. Yes it was a blatant dive, but television showed that the referee was at best partially unsighted when the incident took place, so I find it difficult to understand how he could make that decision.

Also, it is about time the FA took action against players who cheat, while they continue to get away with it, they will continue to do it.

 

[Langers]

Agree - can't agree with BT's studio analysis of Rashford's dive either. Which isn't a surprise as the guests were Dean Saunders and Michael Owen.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Agree - can't agree with BT's studio analysis of Rashford's dive either. Which isn't a surprise as the guests were Dean Saunders and Michael Owen.

I did not see the game live, but watched the highlights on match of the day, and in my opinion it looked like a blatant dive, and I think it was Danny Murphy who was scathing about it. I really wish we could eradicate this cheating from the game.

Though having said that, it does not excuse the referee for appearing to guess the decision. A referee must be 100% certain before awarding a penalty kick, and given his position, and players obstructing his view, Mr. Swarbrick could not possibly have been 100% certain.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Players at grassroots level who assault a match official will now receive a minimum five-year ban.

The new laws, to be introduced for the 2017-18 season, will apply from step five and all leagues below it.

Other measures include:

A minimum of an 84-day ban and £100 fine for any physical contact with a match official.

Verbal threats to officials will result in a minimum 56-day ban, or six matches, and £50 fine.

These sanctions will be a minimum, but a commission can increase the ban based on aggravating factors.

 

[Johnny75]

Players at grassroots level who assault a match official will now receive a minimum five-year ban.

The new laws, to be introduced for the 2017-18 season, will apply from step five and all leagues below it.

Other measures include:

A minimum of an 84-day ban and £100 fine for any physical contact with a match official.

Verbal threats to officials will result in a minimum 56-day ban, or six matches, and £50 fine.

These sanctions will be a minimum, but a commission can increase the ban based on aggravating factors.

On the face of it this is a good thing. It may give some referees power to exact their own threats on players which is not a good thing, especially if one referee is having a terrible game and somebody has the audacity to challenge the referee after the game.

For example, what happens if a player is severely injured and the referee doesn't stop the game or plays on and that player is hurt. Referee gets a gob full from the opposing manager who then gets banned. All for protecting his player.

Seems like a sledgehammer to crack a nut to me.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

On the face of it this is a good thing. It may give some referees power to exact their own threats on players which is not a good thing, especially if one referee is having a terrible game and somebody has the audacity to challenge the referee after the game.

For example, what happens if a player is severely injured and the referee doesn't stop the game or plays on and that player is hurt. Referee gets a gob full from the opposing manager who then gets banned. All for protecting his player.

Seems like a sledgehammer to crack a nut to me.

These new directives are aimed at eradicating violence and/or threats towards match officials. There has been an increase in assua.ts on referees, and that is not acceptable.


Any player or official giving the referee a mouthful, may well be reported for that, but as long as there are no threats used then any ban would be standard one, if it was deemed serious enough.

And believe me many managers have asked to speak to me after a game, and I just invite them into my dressing room, and allow them to raise their concerns. Though I do insist it is done in a reasonable manner. I also ask him to give it a few minutes before coming in to see me, as just after the final whistle tensions can be high, and things can be said in the heat of the moment which are regretted when tempers have cooled.

 

[Langers]

Something HAS to be done about the abuse officials get at grassroots level - you'd hope they would use some common sense and look at things on a case by case basis rather than a blanket ban on things, but I think this is a good thing and long overdue.

Except when Kevin Lynch, Uriah Rennie or Mark Halsey are involved, obvs.

 

[Johnny75]

These new directives are aimed at eradicating violence and/or threats towards match officials. There has been an increase in assua.ts on referees, and that is not acceptable.


Any player or official giving the referee a mouthful, may well be reported for that, but as long as there are no threats used then any ban would be standard one, if it was deemed serious enough.

And believe me many managers have asked to speak to me after a game, and I just invite them into my dressing room, and allow them to raise their concerns. Though I do insist it is done in a reasonable manner. I also ask him to give it a few minutes before coming in to see me, as just after the final whistle tensions can be high, and things can be said in the heat of the moment which are regretted when tempers have cooled.

I don't doubt you are a good referee David and it is a good thing to deter the managers, players and parents thinking it is OK to threaten referees (often very young). I just hope the local County FA's and referees Assoc have the balls to sack referees who abuse this power as there are quite a few little hitlers out there.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I don't doubt you are a good referee David and it is a good thing to deter the managers, players and parents thinking it is OK to threaten referees (often very young). I just hope the local County FA's and referees Assoc have the balls to sack referees who abuse this power as there are quite a few little hitlers out there.

Not every footballer in Leicestershire would agree about my refereeing ability...

These new directives are there to protect referees, and should not be used as a means of abusing their power. We always tell new referees to be polite when speaking to players and club officials. I have seen a few referees speak very poorly to players, and then when the player responds in a similar vein, then he gets his cards out. And once I was assessing a referee who swore at a player. His assessment mark was very low, and he was told in no uncertain terms that his attitude must change.

I know of many referees who have been dropped down a level because of performance, fitness and attitude among other things, but I can only recall one referee having his registration revoked.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Something HAS to be done about the abuse officials get at grassroots level - you'd hope they would use some common sense and look at things on a case by case basis rather than a blanket ban on things, but I think this is a good thing and long overdue.

Except when Kevin Lynch, Uriah Rennie or Mark Halsey are involved, obvs.

As the bans and fines are the minimum, then there is plenty of manouvere to increase the punishment depending on circumstances.

And you omitted Stuart Atwell from your exempt list...!!

 

[Langers]

As the bans and fines are the minimum, then there is plenty of manouvere to increase the punishment depending on circumstances.

And you omitted Stuart Atwell from your exempt list...!!

I meant the other way around TBH - if the referee is particularly officious and is a bit OTT with his complaint.

I try to forget Atwell. Sadly, the other three are entrenched in my memory......

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Players at grassroots level who assault a match official will now receive a minimum five-year ban.

The new laws, to be introduced for the 2017-18 season, will apply from step five and all leagues below it.

Other measures include:

A minimum of an 84-day ban and £100 fine for any physical contact with a match official.

Verbal threats to officials will result in a minimum 56-day ban, or six matches, and £50 fine.

These sanctions will be a minimum, but a commission can increase the ban based on aggravating factors.

I could see this one being very easy to abuse should you get an 'awkward' official.

Plenty of times I've made 'physical contact' with a referee, you might run into them whilst watching the ball, place a hand on them whilst talking to them, I've had to put my arms out to stop a referee walking backwards into me in the past, hell I've even high fived a referee as he was stood signalling an indirect freekick before because I was a bit bored. All of those examples constitute physical contact, along with countless others, and whilst obviously there's nothing sinister in any of those encounters I know we've had some right silly buggers officiating games in the past who would be only to happy to oblige in handing out the ban and fine associated with this offence for the most minimal of reasons.

 

[Langers]

I could see this one being very easy to abuse should you get an 'awkward' official.

Plenty of times I've made 'physical contact' with a referee, you might run into them whilst watching the ball, place a hand on them whilst talking to them, I've had to put my arms out to stop a referee walking backwards into me in the past, hell I've even high fived a referee as he was stood signalling an indirect freekick before because I was a bit bored. All of those examples constitute physical contact, along with countless others, and whilst obviously there's nothing sinister in any of those encounters I know we've had some right silly buggers officiating games in the past who would be only to happy to oblige in handing out the ban and fine associated with this offence for the most minimal of reasons.

:icon_lol: You're a disgrace to the game and deserve your ban, you young hooligan.

 

[Johnny75]

I could see this one being very easy to abuse should you get an 'awkward' official.

Plenty of times I've made 'physical contact' with a referee, you might run into them whilst watching the ball, place a hand on them whilst talking to them, I've had to put my arms out to stop a referee walking backwards into me in the past, hell I've even high fived a referee as he was stood signalling an indirect freekick before because I was a bit bored. All of those examples constitute physical contact, along with countless others, and whilst obviously there's nothing sinister in any of those encounters I know we've had some right silly buggers officiating games in the past who would be only to happy to oblige in handing out the ban and fine associated with this offence for the most minimal of reasons.

That's what I was trying to say.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I could see this one being very easy to abuse should you get an 'awkward' official.

Plenty of times I've made 'physical contact' with a referee, you might run into them whilst watching the ball, place a hand on them whilst talking to them, I've had to put my arms out to stop a referee walking backwards into me in the past, hell I've even high fived a referee as he was stood signalling an indirect freekick before because I was a bit bored. All of those examples constitute physical contact, along with countless others, and whilst obviously there's nothing sinister in any of those encounters I know we've had some right silly buggers officiating games in the past who would be only to happy to oblige in handing out the ban and fine associated with this offence for the most minimal of reasons.

In 35 years as a referee and many years assessing and mentoring I thought I had seen everything. How wrong could I have been.

I have never seen or heard of a player high fiving a referee. :icon_lol: I hope the referee took it in the spirit it was intended.