Live Match Discussion 2022/23

[Johnny75]

That level doesn't bother me at all and I'm a lifelong atheist, don't care what other people believe as long as it doesn't impact negatively on others.

What do you do when it does?

 

[WsWolf]

So what the Dutch fans have done tonight isn’t acceptable?

Unprovoked, they attacked the family enclosure of the West Ham players and Moyes’s 82 year old father.

I simply said that what the AZ fans did was shit and that English fans have the bad reputation…your first comment was “but English fans in the past”…

Not strictly true. It was the hospitality section, there was plenty of West Ham's idiots in there as well as the players families. Not to excuse the act itself but they weren't just wading into a load of kids and old blokes.

 

[sycophantia]

The problem is, in this country it does.

Can't see how Moore thanking his God for victory in a football match has any effect on anyone else.

 

[Johnny75]

Not strictly true. It was the hospitality section, there was plenty of West Ham's idiots in there as well as the players families. Not to excuse the act itself but they weren't just wading into a load of kids and old blokes.

So it's ok to wade into fans?

 

[prawnking]

Doesn't bother me, it'd be intolerant to tell people who have faith that they can't express that when it clearly means a lot to them. Pakistani cricketers say Inshallah all the time, what's the difference.

Militant atheism is rubbish, see latter day Ricky Gervais.

Who's saying people can't express it? More like people just saying it's annoying.
That's not militant.

I read it more like the annoyance you get when some who is vegan rams it down your throat in every conversation. It's a harmless observation surely?

Religious people of all stripes get plenty of protection, unless they're reading the forum I can't see what's wrong in saying it's annoying.

Look at the world and you'll find much more intolerance by religious people than those who don't practice it.

(I say all this as an ex Catholic and ex vegan by the way before anyone starts )

 

[WsWolf]

So it's ok to wade into fans?

That depends really. If two groups of consenting adults want to have a punch up that's up to them, in this situation obviously not acceptable. Hence why I said, it doesn't excuse the act.

 

[Johnny75]

That depends really. If two groups of consenting adults want to have a punch up that's up to them, in this situation obviously not acceptable. Hence why I said, it doesn't excuse the act.

Really?

 

[darlowolf64]

@darlowolf64 what was the response by security/police tonight?

Edit; Dutch police confirm that no arrests were made last night

 

[prawnking]

Can't see how Moore thanking his God for victory in a football match has any effect on anyone else.

You could say that about 80% of things we all get annoyed at on these forums if you're going down that line... Are you going to apply that to yourself too?

 

[sycophantia]

You could say that about 80% of things we all get annoyed at on these forums if you're going down that line... Are you going to apply that to yourself too?

I often think about stuff I've said and realise I overreacted. I just think sometimes people's annoyance at certain things is excessive.
My original response was to Alan's comment, Darren Moores religious nonsense didn't irritate me. Of course everyone is entitled to their own thoughts, I just don't understand it sometimes.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

After a game like that last night, where his players pulled out something incredible, Moore's first thought was to thank god.

As I said I find that disrespectful to the players, and also if I was religious, disrespectful to God, as in why would God bother himself with influencing the result of a football match?

 

[jd1981]

That depends really. If two groups of consenting adults want to have a punch up that's up to them, in this situation obviously not acceptable. Hence why I said, it doesn't excuse the act.

No it really isn’t it’s called affray, firstly whilst you’re having a consenting punch up there’s a lot of people who get caught up in it who have no interest in the punch up.
Not to mention criminal damage plus the fact the medical attention they’ll be demanding of injured.
Good example of this is a video from the 80’s on the London Underground West Ham fans singing and squaring up to opposing fans.
Caught in the middle was a group of girl guides absolutely terrified.

 

[Banjo]

After a game like that last night, where his players pulled out something incredible, Moore's first thought was to thank god.

As I said I find that disrespectful to the players, and also if I was religious, disrespectful to God, as in why would God bother himself with influencing the result of a football match?

It doesnt stand up to any form of reason or rationale argument, which is why, imo, views of any kind on religion should be kept private.

What I find uncomfortable with people thanking their god(s) openly and in public, is that the unsaid part is that they assume everyone else believes in and worships that exact same god(s). I find that to be disrespectful, whether it's intended or otherwise.

I also reject the label "atheist". Again, it assumes the starting point is that most people are or should be a theist. Not believing in something isn't a belief system, although I agree with Deutsch that people who are militant with their views on what they don't believe in are just as tiresome and offensive as those who are militant in what they do believe in.

Darren Moore seems like a lovely man and I'm very pleased for him after yesterday's result not least as, by all accounts, he received some horrific abuse during the week. But I felt like his thanks to his god in that interview were jarring and insensitive to the beliefs of others. I'd have much more time for the expression of religious beliefs if people would say "my god" or "the god that I believe in" - at least that way you're being inclusive, and acknowledging that other people believe different things to you.

 

[WsWolf]

No it really isn’t it’s called affray, firstly whilst you’re having a consenting punch up there’s a lot of people who get caught up in it who have no interest in the punch up.
Not to mention criminal damage plus the fact the medical attention they’ll be demanding of injured.
Good example of this is a video from the 80’s on the London Underground West Ham fans singing and squaring up to opposing fans.
Caught in the middle was a group of girl guides absolutely terrified.

But that's not 2 groups of consenting adults is it? There's others involved.

What I mean is, fuck off to a field somewhere and have a punch up in the name of some kind of bragging rights if they want. Not really my cup of tea but there's people who like watching golf and neither is that.

 

[Sniffer]

The venue for the Europa Conference final in Prague has a capacity of approximately 20,000.

Even though UEFA pocket most tickets regardless of the size of the ground, a 20k capacity for a final is a disgrace. You have to feel sorry for fans of the 2 clubs.

 

[sycophantia]

The venue for the Europa Conference final in Prague has a capacity of approximately 20,000.

Even though UEFA pocket most tickets regardless of the size of the ground, a 20k capacity for a final is a disgrace. You have to feel sorry for fans of the 2 clubs.

It's ridiculous, each team only getting 5,000.

 

[darlowolf64]

The venue for the Europa Conference final in Prague has a capacity of approximately 20,000.

Even though UEFA pocket most tickets regardless of the size of the ground, a 20k capacity for a final is a disgrace. You have to feel sorry for fans of the 2 clubs.

It's alright, they'll get 4,890 tickets each...

 

[leedswolf]

But that's not 2 groups of consenting adults is it? There's others involved.

What I mean is, fuck off to a field somewhere and have a punch up in the name of some kind of bragging rights if they want.

It's still affray...

 

[Tredman]

It's alright, they'll get 4,890 tickets each...

Yeah, but its Wham fans - they don't deserve good stuff

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659309438115741696

 

[Langers]

Loved the play off game last night. An amazingly entertaining match.

Felt weird - an ex-Wolves player v an ex-Albion player in the dugout, and I really wanted the ex-Albion player to win as I find him so likeable!!

Don't give a shit about his faith - if it helps him (which it clearly does) then what's the problem? No-one has to agree with his feelings on the issue and he's clearly very well liked and respected by his players and his contemporaries. I couldn't disagree more with his thoughts on religion but I respect his views and if it helps him with aspects of his job and his life, fair dos.