Live Match Discussion 2022/23

[Tom Hark]

In speedway, there's a total points limit (i.e. riders' averages for the previous season) for the team that can't be exceeded at the start of the season to make the league more competitive. Isn't there something similar in baseball too?

 

[PuntsWolf]

Speedway they ride all over the shop anyway, football you do not and it’s far more of a team game. You couldn’t have players bouncing round club to club every year as you’d never be able to build a team.

Also how would you rank players? Matt Hill and Hwang could have been our best players on certain metrics and they are both rubbish

 

[Tom Hark]

Speedway they ride all over the shop anyway, football you do not and it’s far more of a team game. You couldn’t have players bouncing round club to club every year as you’d never be able to build a team.

Also how would you rank players? Matt Hill and Hwang could have been our best players on certain metrics and they are both rubbish

Well, that was really a #justsayin type post, but since you ask I guess you could use some combination of the media's player assessments for each league match, transfer values and the myriad other metrics that MOTD comes up with. I couldn't see it working on exactly the same lines as those other sports, although there might be some room for manoeuvre in, e.g., having to give academy players or emerging talent (whatever that is) a certain number of games or minutes. Wasn't something similar tried with including a certain number of British players? Is that still happening? I don't see much evidence of it.

 

[sycophantia]

The 'averages' rule works well for Speedway but wouldn't for football. Although a team sport, the races are decided by individuals, whereas a football team is mostly on the team aspect and you have to build over a period of several seasons.
As DW said we don't want to regulate against success, tbh I think we're stuck with what we've got, unsatisfactory as it is.

 

[Throbber3]

Meanwhile all the youngsters are drawn to a big six team as they are seen to be winners. I started supporting Wolves as a 9 year old just getting into football in73/74 and we won the league cup sealing what turned into a life long following. Forest Leeds Villa Wolves Ipswich Southampton Norwich Oxford Sunderland Everton all won cups titles and reached finals between 73 and 91 . In recent times Wigan and Portsmouth have done boom and bust. Man United are still there or there abouts despite being poor in comparison to twenty years ago. But I would bite your hand off for Wolves to have had Man United a record over the last five years so it’s about the comparison. Man United are a poor member of the big six we are a good member of the middle eight this season but are still well behind them. Neves would or could go to man United but Pogba or similar would never think of coming here , so like it or not money does talk even if it doesn’t always buy success. Newcastle the next 5 years will be an interesting watch

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Out of interest, how come it was OK for you to follow a team after they won a cup in 1974 but it's not OK for a kid to do the same in 2022?

 

[Throbber3]

Out of interest, how come it was OK for you to follow a team after they won a cup in 1974 but it's not OK for a kid to do the same in 2022?

That’s my point so straight over your head with that one then. It’s successful teams that get new supporters . I know Man City supporting kids in Cambridge. Unheard of when growing up . Liverpool Man U Leeds Chelsea Arsenal Spurs Ipswich Norwich Forest Wolves all picked up fans in and around my home town and the reason was they were in finals and were winning things. Now several of those remain as the big six and they are still supported by the next generation. Two of my sons follow Spurs and they were born in the 80s so Spurs were quite succeeding at home and in eurrope then. My other son is 96 birthday and Follows Arsenal so the invincibles turned his head . My daughter finally got into football three years ago while working at the signal box in Euston and serving Wolves Fans prior to the cup semi final . So she now wants to follow and learn because she saw that semi as success . But youngsters following football now are 90percrnt guaranteed to follow big six teams because of their success unless a sensible parent is taking them week in week out to Cambridge or Peterborough or even Northampton.
I just think that pretty much knowing where the big trophies are going and where the best players are ending up being transferred is mind numbing boring and on an entertainment level the 70s and 80s was streets ahead. Liverpool in their pomp undone by forest in league and league cup and then in Europe. Leeds reaching the European cup final to lose to Munich. Sunderland and West Ham winning the cup from the second tier. Coventry winning the cup against Spurs. Ipswich beating Arsenal. Norwich and Sunderland in a league cup final. Even into the nought ties the big six didn’t have such a stranglehold on everything with Portsmouth and Wigan winning the cup Fulham and Middlesbrough reaching euro finals. The last 10 years it’s just big fix after box six winning everything bar Leicester. It’s boring. Just me I suppose but it’s not good for the long term future of the game

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

We made one final in 1972, won something in 1974, got relegated in 76 and promoted in 77 before winning something else in 1980. So hardly a massive run of success.

 

[Throbber3]

We made one final in 1972, won something in 1974, got relegated in 76 and promoted in 77 before winning something else in 1980. So hardly a massive run of success.

You change wives but not your football team
Three cups including the division 2 championship two league cup wins and one uefa final in 8 years! That’s better than we have done in the last 8 years in what is being heralded as the best times of our lives. And through success we will get more support but the gap keeps growing between the sky six and us .

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

And? If someone chooses to follow a team, their reasons can be manifold. I follow Wolves because I thought it would guarantee a shag off the Wolves following girl on my law degree FFS! The one thing is once you choose, you stick with that choice.

What would really piss me off is the sort of prick who was Man United for the 90s, had a period of Chelsea or Arsenal support, and was now a City or Liverpool fan. THAT is a glory hunter.

 

[Tony Towner]

Spurs won nothing between 84 and 91 and since then have won a couple of league cups. If you were born in the 80's you don't support Spurs because of what they've won

 

[Throbber3]

And? If someone chooses to follow a team, their reasons can be manifold. I follow Wolves because I thought it would guarantee a shag off the Wolves following girl on my law degree FFS! The one thing is once you choose, you stick with that choice.

What would really piss me off is the sort of prick who was Man United for the 90s, had a period of Chelsea or Arsenal support, and was now a City or Liverpool fan. THAT is a glory hunter.

Didn’t you have fun giving it large when we beat forest? I was 15 then and playing men’s football and I certainly used my bragging rights at the time! Now because the same teams win everything the new fans choose them over others and it makes it a league if also rans for me .
I just don’t think it’s a level playing field and money is the biggest reason for that. Money has not been properly addressed in football for me . It’s becoming obscene.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Or indeed say Everton!

 

[Tony Towner]

And? If someone chooses to follow a team, their reasons can be manifold. I follow Wolves because I thought it would guarantee a shag off the Wolves following girl on my law degree FFS! The one thing is once you choose, you stick with that choice.

What would really piss me off is the sort of prick who was Man United for the 90s, had a period of Chelsea or Arsenal support, and was now a City or Liverpool fan. THAT is a glory hunter.

...and did it? If not a lot of pain for no gain

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Famously no! She resisted my advances and now is a barrister in Bristol somewhere last time I caught up with her!

 

[sycophantia]

People argue about some odd stuff on this forum

 

[Throbber3]

Spurs won nothing between 84 and 91 amd since then have won a couple of league cups. If you were born in the 80's you don't support Spurs because of what they've won

Selectively removing two days cups in 81 and 82 a cup final in 87
Spurs league finishes in the 80s included 4 4 10 3 13 3 8 . So they were successful. Comparable to man United in terms of their success since Fergie if not better .

 

[Throbber3]

People argue with Cy-Jasper about anything on this forum

Fify

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Selectively removing two days cups in 81 and 82 a cup final in 87
Spurs league finishes in the 80s included 4 4 10 3 13 3 8 . So they were successful. Comparable to man United in terms of their success since Fergie if not better .

If you were born in the 80s you would have missed the 81 and 82 cup finals and unless it was very early 80s the 87 final would not have registered either.

 

[Tony Towner]

Selectively removing two days cups in 81 and 82 a cup final in 87
Spurs league finishes in the 80s included 4 4 10 3 13 3 8 . So they were successful. Comparable to man United in terms of their success since Fergie if not better .

Well as they were born at some point in the 80's I think we can dismiss those 2 cup wins. Like me saying I follow Wolves because or the 72 UEFA Cup final and 74 League Cup