Live Match Discussion 2022/23

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I don’t want him to fail. I’m noting he hasn’t started the last 3 or 4. Though I guess you’ll Google that and correct me Statto?

If you say something that is wrong, then yeah expect to be corrected, no need to be an arse about.

He started in their very last game, i don't need to google it, i watched it.

 

[Mel Evo]

I just happen to watch lots of Spanish football and it is interesting that he doesn’t start, given the dominant narrative back over here is that he’s tearing it up against circus defending. I happen to like the guy and very much hope he succeeds.

 

[Mel Evo]

If you say something that is wrong, then yeah expect to be corrected, no need to be an arse about.

He started in their very last game, i don't need to google it, i watched it.

Fair enough, forgot about the Europa League.

 

[Mel Evo]

Anyway, here he comes and I hope he does well. This result will sting in my old office (good!).

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I just happen to watch lots of Spanish football and it is interesting that he doesn’t start, given the dominant narrative back over here is that he’s tearing it up against circus defending. I happen to like the guy and very much hope he succeeds.

Not sure anyone has said he is "tearing it up" but he did get 4 assists in 5 games, and was involved in other goals too.

He's done alright for them, it seems they are utilising both him and Dembele as impact players, he's certainly not out of favour, which seems to be the narrative you are trying to push for some reason.

 

[Mel Evo]

Not sure anyone has said he is "tearing it up" but he did get 4 assists in 5 games, and was involved in other goals too.

He's done alright for them, it seems they are utilising both him and Dembele as impact players, he's certainly not out of favour, which seems to be the narrative you are trying to push for some reason.

Rightio. Deconstruct me Derrida.

 

[Tony Towner]

If you say something that is wrong, then yeah expect to be corrected, no need to be an arse about.

He started in their very last game, i don't need to google it, i watched it.

If you watched the second half, you'll see he didn't come out for it. My comment wasn't anti him, it was saying he's not in their best 11...which he isn't and that's noteworthy given them already saying they might not be able to complete the deal

 

[Mel Evo]

Anyway, it really has been weird to see Madrid fall apart like this. Absolutely could / should be 6 or 7.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Nice that it's actually been a game of football for a change though.

 

[redvictor]

Lampard not mincing words on the BBC website.
"We are playing at the cut-throat end of football here. This is a cup quarter-final to get to Wembley and if you haven't got the confidence to play, you can quickly flip it and say have you got the bollocks to play?"

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

If you watched the second half, you'll see he didn't come out for it. My comment wasn't anti him, it was saying he's not in their best 11...which he isn't and that's noteworthy given them already saying they might not be able to complete the deal

Well we just flog him elsewhere then.

 

[Throbber3]

Is it just me or is English football in the premier league all a bit predictable. The big six were set up to succeed and basically, because of money have the ability to virtually buy trophies. They pay the best and they get the best. Why is it a surprise that they are winning everything? I dislike the way commentators wax lyrical about how great City and Liverpool and Chelsea are and how the Abramovitch situation is so sad for the club. Hold on. If he is being called out as a crook now and his money bent as fuck , which appears to be happening, how could he be an owner in the first place? Let’s face it seeing the same clubs win things, buy the best players, get the rub of the green is fucking boring. The Premier league has stifled competition thanks to money . That’s why I loved Leicester in 2016 as it bloodied the noses of the sky six. I don’t think it will change. I hope Newcastle fulfil their potential and bloody some noses next year or two but then they will become the 7th team and become part of the problem rather than the solution. The genuine fan is being skanked by the format of competitions that so favour the sky six. From next season I would like to see the top six teams drawn against each other in the second round of the carabao and third round of the F A cup. That way it thins it out. The losers still have Europe. Break some of this Uber rich stronghold or at least give it a chance to be broken and give the other 14 premier league clubs some hope of silverware

 

[sycophantia]

I get what you're saying and the big clubs do seem to have help to stay big.
Not sure it's a Premier league problem though....worldwide isn't it? How many different clubs win in Spain, Germany, Italy, France etc, if anything games are more competitive in England, although the big teams obviously win out in the end over the season......tbh, not sure what the answer is.

 

[Throbber3]

I get what you're saying and the big clubs do seem to have help to stay big.
Not sure it's a Premier league problem though....worldwide isn't it? How many different clubs win in Spain, Germany, Italy, France etc, if anything games are more competitive in England, although the big teams obviously win out in the end over the season......tbh, not sure what the answer is.

Very true. Until the formats acknowledge that it’s rigged in favour of the big teams then it cannot change. Knock a few of the seeds out early in cups has the good effect of a high class match up early in the competition and the non big teams think they are in with a shout in a cup. That would include us! The two aims would be to stay up and then win a cup. Granted you can get the odd cup shock but teams rarely shock big boys twice, that’s why the carabao cup semi final format is floored. Beat Man City 1 0 in the first leg they beat you 6 0 in the return when they get the chance to get their act together, for example. No replays helps as Forest showed. Still a very familiar look to the semi final line up. Same with the carabao. The top six from the previous season are seeded in the carabao so must play each other in round two 6th v1st 5th v 2nd 4th v 3rd. The top 8 on 1st of December are seeded for the fa cup third round in January 8th v 1st 7th v 2nd etc. The likelihood is that two or three of the big six get eliminated very early doors in both competitions giving incentives to the other clubs who are never going to win the league. It just seems a way of limiting the success you can buy just because you’re owned by a state or billionaire or manage some very shady sponsors

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Very true. Until the formats acknowledge that it’s rigged in favour of the big teams then it cannot change. Knock a few of the seeds out early in cups has the good effect of a high class match up early in the competition and the non big teams think they are in with a shout in a cup. That would include us! The two aims would be to stay up and then win a cup. Granted you can get the odd cup shock but teams rarely shock big boys twice, that’s why the carabao cup semi final format is floored. Beat Man City 1 0 in the first leg they beat you 6 0 in the return when they get the chance to get their act together, for example. No replays helps as Forest showed. Still a very familiar look to the semi final line up. Same with the carabao. The top six from the previous season are seeded in the carabao so must play each other in round two 6th v1st 5th v 2nd 4th v 3rd. The top 8 on 1st of December are seeded for the fa cup third round in January 8th v 1st 7th v 2nd etc. The likelihood is that two or three of the big six get eliminated very early doors in both competitions giving incentives to the other clubs who are never going to win the league. It just seems a way of limiting the success you can buy just because you’re owned by a state or billionaire or manage some very shady sponsors

Surely a better way would be have a wage cap for the club not individuals. Fiddling at the edges with cup draws is pissing in the wind.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Between 1970 and 1990 Liverpool won 11 league titles, 3 FA Cups, 4 League Cups, 2 UEFA Cups and 4 European Cups. There's always been dominance on at least some level throughout whichever era you choose to pick (so long as you don't sepia tint it), penalising success is a non-starter on so many levels. Back in that era, Liverpool would habitually cherry pick the best players from other clubs whenever they wanted, Barnes and Beardsley for example.

As for Abramovich, in 2003 there were no checks at all on who could own a club, so long as you didn't own more than one in the same competition.

Money isn't everything, Man Utd have spent over £1bn on transfer fees alone since Ferguson retired. Won next to bugger all. Look at how Everton have used their funds for the last decade or so.

There's never realistically in any of our lifetimes been a recurring situation where 8, 10, 12 clubs could win the league at the outset, people pretend it happened but it didn't. At least you don't know who will win the Premier League before a ball's kicked, unless PSG or Bayern monumentally screw up then they are nailed on to win the French and German titles every single time. With Atletico slipping back into the pack of late then we're back to a perpetual two horse race in Spain as well.

 

[Tony Towner]

Between 1970 and 1990 Liverpool won 11 league titles, 3 FA Cups, 4 League Cups, 2 UEFA Cups and 4 European Cups. There's always been dominance on at least some level throughout whichever era you choose to pick (so long as you don't sepia tint it)

No arguing Liverpool's dominance however during the same period 12 different teams finished second. There wasn't a dominant few clubs like there are now. The big 5 as termed when I was a kid was more about size of club than league success

 

[redvictor]

It's a problem that will probably never be solved. Life has people who have it all and people who have nothing, with everything in between. Football is no different.
What would help football is the way you can spend as a club, which is all dependent on how much you earn as a club. Change that and i think clubs like ours could spend more without penalty. Without it the "big six" will always get further away from the rest.

 

[Keef]

How about a say, European super league, where the top teams play each other, then the teams Left in their respective countries leagues stand a better chance of winning stuff?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

How about a say, European super league, where the top teams play each other, then the teams Left in their respective countries leagues stand a better chance of winning stuff?

But it'd be a shit league, so what would be the point.