Lettuce Liz then Tetchy Rish! and the battle to replace him

[Paddingtonwolf]

Our sentencing guidelines have never breached international law. That’s nonsense written entirely from the Just Stop Oil side of the argument.

And as I say, writing to the government (executive) about sentencing from an independent judiciary shows spectacular ignorance of UK constitutional law.

 

[Del Woppio]

Haven't they literally just invented a new law with harsher penalties though?

 

[Templeton Peck]

Reasonable for protesters to call Iain Duncan Smith ‘Tory scum’, court rules

High court rejects attempt to overturn acquittal of two protesters who made remarks outside 2021 Tory conference

www.theguardian.com

Reminds me of the actor Alan Partridge interviews who can legally be referred to as a cunt. But only in print.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Haven't they literally just invented a new law with harsher penalties though?

If they did it went through parliament. And as the Cunts are gluing themselves everywhere inconvenient for everybody else I feel little sympathy if they get banged up.

 

[Templeton Peck]

'Chancellor Jeremy Hunt will tell the disabled to work from home or lose their benefits today.'

 

[Templeton Peck]

Haven't they literally just invented a new law with harsher penalties though?

Yep. It's all very fash.

How does the new Policing Act affect my protest rights? - Liberty

As the Government’s Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act comes into effect, we explain the main protest law changes and what they mean for protesters.

www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk

 

[EpsomWolf]

Thought after the ‘successes’ of XR, JSO etc etc it was pretty obvious something like that was going to be introduced eventually.

You can’t have a functioning society when incredibly well organised pressure groups can wreak havoc upon everyone else just wanting to go about their daily business with such great affect. Something had to be done.

It’s another one of those blind spot by-products of something you drive your opponents to. You reap what you sow. I don’t have a huge amount of sympathy to be honest.

 

[leedswolf]

If they did it went through parliament. And as the Cunts are gluing themselves everywhere inconvenient for everybody else I feel little sympathy if they get banged up.

Going through parliamentary process gives it legitimacy. That doesn't necessarily make the legislation morally compliant.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Depends on your point of view there.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Yep. It's all very fash.

How does the new Policing Act affect my protest rights? - Liberty

As the Government’s Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act comes into effect, we explain the main protest law changes and what they mean for protesters.

www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk

Well liberty would say that wouldn’t they?

 

[leedswolf]

Depends on your point of view there.

Precisely.

 

[Del Woppio]

Were it not for disruptive protest, black people would still be slaves, women still denied the vote, and homosexuality would be illegal. Being on the side of the likes of Mike Parry, Katie Hopkins and Piers Morgan is a pretty big clue you're on the wrong side

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Were it not for disruptive protest, black people would still be slaves, women still denied the vote, and homosexuality would be illegal. Being on the side of the likes of Mike Parry, Katie Hopkins and Piers Morgan is a pretty big clue you're on the wrong side

Absolutely. We have been conditioned to believe that protest is bad unless your protest is not disruptive. Pretty much every protest movement ever that has led to change we now take for granted has been disruptive.

Disruption is a force for good as well as bad and restricting the right to protest either by restrictive law or punitive law (or both) is harmful and in itself should be protested in the most disruptive way possible.

As for climate change protesters, I don't know anybody personally who has been significantly impacted by their actions yet everybody I know and everybody I don't know will or are being impacted by climate change.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Well liberty would say that wouldn’t they?

Yes.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Were it not for disruptive protest, black people would still be slaves, women still denied the vote, and homosexuality would be illegal. Being on the side of the likes of Mike Parry, Katie Hopkins and Piers Morgan is a pretty big clue you're on the wrong side

Who said I am on the side of those cunts? I have pointed out that the UN has no place getting uppity about the way the UK constitution works. That’s the limit of it.

 

[EpsomWolf]

Were it not for disruptive protest, black people would still be slaves, women still denied the vote, and homosexuality would be illegal. Being on the side of the likes of Mike Parry, Katie Hopkins and Piers Morgan is a pretty big clue you're on the wrong side

I agree, but disruptive protest is going to come at a cost too. The recent very effective campaigns (in terms of disruption, not necessarily in outcomes) are extremely skilfully executed, and are fundamentally shoehorned into whatever the gaps can be found in legislation (aka ‘existing rights’). It’s inevitable those ‘gaps’ will be closed.

It’s a bit of an old argument now but once protest becomes disruptive to others that are not sharing the view you tip the scales and start to lose as much as you gain.

It’s hard to believe anyone couldn’t see where this was going irrespective of which side of any of the protests you are on.

 

[The Bear]

Disruptive protest is very effective. Although I draw the line at blocking roads and stopping traffic. You're holding up emergency services and people that need to get to hospital.

 

[Templeton Peck]

People triggered by some journey delays are going to really struggle with the effects of climate change.

 

[Templeton Peck]

I agree, but disruptive protest is going to come at a cost too. The recent very effective campaigns (in terms of disruption, not necessarily in outcomes) are extremely skilfully executed, and are fundamentally shoehorned into whatever the gaps can be found in legislation (aka ‘existing rights’). It’s inevitable those ‘gaps’ will be closed.

It’s a bit of an old argument now but once protest becomes disruptive to others that are not sharing the view you tip the scales and start to lose as much as you gain.

It’s hard to believe anyone couldn’t see where this was going irrespective of which side of any of the protests you are on.

Disagree. As long as people are talking about it the protest is successful. Media just don't care otherwise.

 

[EpsomWolf]

Disagree. As long as people are talking about it the protest is successful. Media just don't care otherwise.

We will have to disagree. It’s about outcomes, not awareness.