Let's talk about Nuno....

[Johnny75]

Being more adventurous than Chris Hughton isn't much to shout about tbh.

I don't dislike him but there's absolutely no way that is an upgrade for us at all.

At the moment Nuno seems to be doing a very good Hughton impression.

And nobody wants that for much longer.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Imagine if I said to you that we're halfway through the season, we're going to sack our current manager and appoint someone from the same division who hasn't won a home game in the league all campaign (albeit they might get one here as Spurs have been shocking. But still, would only be one).

I'm not sure that would go down too well.

 

[AndyWolves]

FWIW on expected points Brighton would be 7th

 

[PuntsWolf]

Brighton also have dreadful players. Not sure you can expect more than point a game out of that lot whilst playing relatively decent football

 

[AndyWolves]

Brighton also have dreadful players. Not sure you can expect more than point a game out of that lot whilst playing relatively decent football

Exactly, how many Brighton players would get picked over Wolves players?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Brighton also have dreadful players. Not sure you can expect more than point a game out of that lot whilst playing relatively decent football

I'd classify him similar to Wilder, got some promising ideas, certainly far beyond what you'd expect at face value, quite difficult to really judge their true merit though as they're probably held back by the quality of player they're working with but also blessed by being in relatively low pressure environments where they can afford to play out their experiments.

They could flourish with better players and see their grand plans come to full fruition or they might struggle to capture the imagination of higher profile players and bottle it under the pressure of a more demanding club.

 

[Derby Wolf]

This isnt a pop at you Lincs but I’m still surprised that people use these idiotic terms like ‘gamble’.

Players don’t gamble on positions and runs, they’re thought about and made to try and affect the opposition. They expect the ball or to take a player away and change the dynamic for their team.

Gambling implies they’re taking a risk in the hope something comes off and at the top level a coach is absolute shite if they’re asking their players to gamble.

It’s a commentators crock of shit from uneducated bellends with a microphone.

No I totally get what you're saying and your word later on - anticipation (and the difference between the two) - is almost entirely what I was driving at. We don't seem to anticipate in multiple positions and scenarios.

 

[jdrodrigues]

Not really. I think he talk about rebalancing the squad which essentially meant getting WJ in

Heh, fair enough. I don't entirely agree, but it's sensible to look at it that way.

 

[redvictor]

From Timmy's twitter.
"Sense of panic on twitter certainly not reflected in the Wolves boardroom. Any Nuno future suggestions are baseless too."

 

[lemonjelly]

I don't think that's relevant here, much the same as who I played for.

 

[redvictor]

Nuno | On removing errors, Jose and Arsenal

Nuno Espirito Santo says the Wolves players and staff have sat down, recognised what is going wrong and have set about putting things right, as they pre...

www.wolves.co.uk

Actually saying some different things here. Like they (players AND staff) sat down and discussed the issues they have, and how to fix them.
I'm glad to hear it. Players and staff need to communicate and go through the problems. That is a great way to work things out. That is in any team or business.

 

[lemonjelly]

We're talking about football, not who we want to marry our daughters or have a drink with.

I couldn't care less if Willian Jose is a cunt or a saint, I'm more interested in what he can do for Wolves. A football team I support.

See I agree with many other comments you made, but certainly not this.
When saunders was appointed, my whole reason for objecting to his being our manager was his character. A manager is about more than football results. It's also philosophy, culture, mentality, the character of the club. The manager is a figurehead. He represents and/or symbolises the club. And by association, the city, and me.
I do not want me, my club, my city tainted by horrible vile characters. Therefore, the type of person appointed to the role has to include consideration of more than football. Or we could just sign lee hughes and his ilk.

Nuno is heavily engaged in the community.
Fosun will have their own cultural ethos. A lot seem to think it's all about instantaneous results, and £££££. My very limited understanding of chinese culture is that it isn't solely quick wins and cashing in. Indeed, it is more about the long game.

I suspect Nuno and Jeff (as Fosuns rep) will have had very open and frank discussions about the situation. I'd also strongly suspect Jeff will have given Nuno his support, and reassurances. For now.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Quite right big man. I would 100% not have gone to any games while Marlon King was on our books, which was Saunders' grand plan to get us out of the mess he'd created. Fortunately it never happened.

Of course I stopped going anyway after a bit because you don't get to piss in my pocket and tell me it's raining.

Character counts for a lot. I wanted Ken out months before he eventually departed the scene but he'll forever have my respect and I'd never have hurled abuse at the man.

 

[prawnking]

See I agree with many other comments you made, but certainly not this.
When saunders was appointed, my whole reason for objecting to his being our manager was his character. A manager is about more than football results. It's also philosophy, culture, mentality, the character of the club. The manager is a figurehead. He represents and/or symbolises the club. And by association, the city, and me.
I do not want me, my club, my city tainted by horrible vile characters. Therefore, the type of person appointed to the role has to include consideration of more than football. Or we could just sign lee hughes and his ilk.

Nuno is heavily engaged in the community.
Fosun will have their own cultural ethos. A lot seem to think it's all about instantaneous results, and £££££. My very limited understanding of chinese culture is that it isn't solely quick wins and cashing in. Indeed, it is more about the long game.

I suspect Nuno and Jeff (as Fosuns rep) will have had very open and frank discussions about the situation. I'd also strongly suspect Jeff will have given Nuno his support, and reassurances. For now.

I think tbf by the time the discussion got to the point you quoted positions had got quite entrenched.

Most people in football (like in other walks of life) are neither cunts nor saints.

Except in extreme circumstances competence and ability to still do the job are paramount to me. I just don't think being a nice philanthropic guy means some fans can use that to counter legitimate criticisms by other fans. It's a 'nice to have', but it's just not hugely relevant. And as someone else said, it's not like our other managers in recent memory have all been sex offenders and war criminals.

Rashford looks to be a thoroughly decent young man, but I wouldn't condone a Utd fan using that to override another Utd fan who had footballing concerns about him

 

[prawnking]

Quite right big man. I would 100% not have gone to any games while Marlon King was on our books, which was Saunders' grand plan to get us out of the mess he'd created. Fortunately it never happened.

Of course I stopped going anyway after a bit because you don't get to piss in my pocket and tell me it's raining.

Character counts for a lot. I wanted Ken out months before he eventually departed the scene but he'll forever have my respect and I'd never have hurled abuse at the man.

That's just contradictory.

You're saying character matters but then you wanted Ken out early for footballing reasons?? And we're not talking about not respecting Nuno or hurling abuse at him.

I think I would agree with you that character matters in a negative sense, which is why I wouldn't want Lee Hughes or Ched Evans playing for us even if they were Harry Kane clones.

But in a positive sense? Just nowhere near as important as other factors. Roy Hodgson seems lovely, do you want him at Wolves?

 

[lemonjelly]

I think most people are (to use the phrases you use) "cunts" at some moments, and "saints" at others, depending on perspective.
But I think the point I made stands. Indeed it is hugely relevant, as so much comes from underlying philosophy, and the building blocks you establish your foundations on. The more robust and secure these are, the stronger your structure is. Competence (is that all?) and ability are mere facets of what one needs to succeed in football management.

Howe would be someone I wouldn't advocate for, because how his teams "play" resemble his character. So aside from footballing shortcomings, that'd be a no from me too.

I agree that different people will have different priorities. That's my second point. I think a lot of assumptions are being made about how Fosun may or may not be thinking right now. Fosuns strategies will be steeped in a totally different culture, value systems and thought process to our westernised experiences.

 

[Wolvensam]

Nuno | On removing errors, Jose and Arsenal

Nuno Espirito Santo says the Wolves players and staff have sat down, recognised what is going wrong and have set about putting things right, as they pre...

www.wolves.co.uk

Actually saying some different things here. Like they (players AND staff) sat down and discussed the issues they have, and how to fix them.
I'm glad to hear it. Players and staff need to communicate and go through the problems. That is a great way to work things out. That is in any team or business.

The more I think about it, the more I struggle to actually work out what the problem is.

Neto is near the top of chances created in the league. I'm sure not too long back him, Podence and Traore were near the top for successful dribbles/ball carries et al.

I don't envy Nuno, because it is all hugely puzzling at the moment. It's just players shooting themselves in the foot with silly mistakes game after game.

 

[redvictor]

The more I think about it, the more I struggle to actually work out what the problem is.

Neto is near the top of chances created in the league. I'm sure not too long back him, Podence and Traore were near the top for successful dribbles/ball carries et al.

I don't envy Nuno, because it is all hugely puzzling at the moment. It's just players shooting themselves in the foot with silly mistakes game after game.

Confidence and belief in how you can play. That is what is wrong. You can see it in the players, you can see it in Nuno. 99% of their issues are in the former.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

That's just contradictory.

You're saying character matters but then you wanted Ken out early for footballing reasons?? And we're not talking about not respecting Nuno or hurling abuse at him.

I think I would agree with you that character matters in a negative sense, which is why I wouldn't want Lee Hughes or Ched Evans playing for us even if they were Harry Kane clones.

But in a positive sense? Just nowhere near as important as other factors. Roy Hodgson seems lovely, do you want him at Wolves?

I think your point was that you don't care whether someone is a nice guy or a cunt, whereas I definitely do care.

It definitely influences how you react to poor results or performances. I mean Jody Craddock probably had a worse start here than Roger Johnson but one was clearly a good guy and one was a complete bellend. Which one ends up best off...

I think Nuno's track record over three and a half years AND his evidently good nature means he still has plenty of credit in the bank. Anyway the club aren't going to sack him so this is definitely a moo point.

 

[Wolvensam]

Confidence and belief in how you can play. That is what is wrong. You can see it in the players, you can see it in Nuno. 99% of their issues are in the former.

Absolutely. I love Coady, but there's more to being a leader than bellowing words and formations: it's about performing like a leader too which he hasn't done for some time in terms of confidence and the mistakes he has made.