Keir Starmer at it again..

[Tredman]

The Milliband who can't eat a bacon sandwich properly?

Yeah, carry on with the anti-Semitic nonsense. It’s a great tactic.

 

[Templeton Peck]

David Milliband or Andy Burnham?

Burnham opted to run for Mayor late 2016. Dave had fucked off in 2010 although I spose he could have been parachuted into a seat if the will was there.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It should have fallen into Burnham's lap in 2015, he was the best candidate by a mile IMO. But ran a lousy campaign (not dissimilar to Remain in 2016 as it turned out).

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Yeah, carry on with the anti-Semitic nonsense. It’s a great tactic.

Da fuck!?

 

[Tredman]

If you imagine that bacon sandwich shit wasn’t influenced by him being Jewish I really pity you.

 

[Tredman]

It should have fallen into Burnham's lap in 2015, he was the best candidate by a mile IMO. But ran a lousy campaign (not dissimilar to Remain in 2016 as it turned out).

His record as Health Secretary wasn’t that’s helpful.

 

[Del Woppio]

I'm confused. You honestly think the bacon sandwich stuff was because he's Jewish? That's just weird. He got stick because he looked like a fucking goon.
Desperately looking for antisemitism where it doesn't exist does the cause more harm than good.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

David Milliband or Andy Burnham?

Neither of whom were members of Parliament, Burnham has just been elected as Mayor of Greater Manchester and Miliband has left politics altogether.

 

[Johnny75]

Neither of whom were members of Parliament, Burnham has just been elected as Mayor of Greater Manchester and Miliband has left politics altogether.

As TP said, I'm sure they could've been parachuted in somewhere if the desire was there.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

2017 might have been an odd time to go as Labour were ahead in the polls and remained so until 2018 when it was level pegging most of the time. Both parties fell off a cliff in 2019 but once Johnson got in with 'Get Brexit done' it was over.

In the one poll that mattered Labour were not ahead. The Conservatives won 42.3% and Labour 40% In the election. Corbyn could have said he gave it his best and step down….but on the left there only seemed to be Long-Bailey with genuine leadership ambition. When you look at the various individuals who were appointed by Corbyn to the shadow cabinet since his election of leader, many had already quit in protest and aside from RLB and briefly Clive Lewis no-one else had any apparent ambition for leader and even if they did would probably not have fared any better than Corbyn with a large number of the parliamentary party.

Corbyn hung around because there was nobody else. Not because Labour were polling well.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

As TP said, I'm sure they could've been parachuted in somewhere if the desire was there.

Burnham was hardly going to quit as Mayor a few days after being elected and with Miliband the desire quite clearly wasn’t there. He had moved on in 2013 and showed no interest when the opportunity arose in 2019, same for Burnham.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I think my biggest frustration with the hardcore left of the Labour Party is how much they write off Blair's tenure.

You don't have to agree with him on everything FFS (who agrees with anyone on everything, even their own family, partner, closest friends, of course you won't), he was demonstrably a very good domestic Prime Minister. I absolutely do want someone like that again.

My list of PMs in my entire life:

Thatcher
Major
Blair
Brown
Cameron
May
Johnson
Truss
Sunak

I mean John fucking Major gets in my top three.

 

[Templeton Peck]

It should have fallen into Burnham's lap in 2015, he was the best candidate by a mile IMO. But ran a lousy campaign (not dissimilar to Remain in 2016 as it turned out).

Seen as a bit too much of a Blairite in those days. He says he's 'been on a journey' since then. He'd be great now but a lot of things would need to change.

 

[Templeton Peck]

In the one poll that mattered Labour were not ahead. The Conservatives won 42.3% and Labour 40% In the election. Corbyn could have said he gave it his best and step down….but on the left there only seemed to be Long-Bailey with genuine leadership ambition. When you look at the various individuals who were appointed by Corbyn to the shadow cabinet since his election of leader, many had already quit in protest and aside from RLB and briefly Clive Lewis no-one else had any apparent ambition for leader and even if they did would probably not have fared any better than Corbyn with a large number of the parliamentary party.

Corbyn hung around because there was nobody else. Not because Labour were polling well.

They were popular after the GE and polled well for some time afterwards. Agreed there were a lack of alternatives though.

 

[Templeton Peck]

I think my biggest frustration with the hardcore left of the Labour Party is how much they write off Blair's tenure.

You don't have to agree with him on everything FFS (who agrees with anyone on everything, even their own family, partner, closest friends, of course you won't), he was demonstrably a very good domestic Prime Minister. I absolutely do want someone like that again.

My list of PMs in my entire life:

Thatcher
Major
Blair
Brown
Cameron
May
Johnson
Truss
Sunak

I mean John fucking Major gets in my top three.

Easily! This is why we are where we are.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I don't even know who I'd rank as the worst. I hate Johnson on a personal level the most, he's genuinely close to being the worst public figure in the UK I've ever known, a truly horrible man... but surely Truss was the most incompetent. But she didn't have enough time to cause *that* much damage (what she did was enough)...so maybe Thatcher who has caused scars that have lasted decades? But then Cameron took us out of the EU because he's a feckless idiot, even Thatcher knew what was good for us there.

It's a minefield.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

They were popular after the GE and polled well for some time afterwards. Agreed there were a lack of alternatives though.

It was neck and neck, neither party ever had a significant lead in the polls. 2017 was as good as it got for Corbyn and he.could have left with his reputation largely intact...but it would.probably have been Starmer even then.

 

[Templeton Peck]

I don't even know who I'd rank as the worst. I hate Johnson on a personal level the most, he's genuinely close to being the worst public figure in the UK I've ever known, a truly horrible man... but surely Truss was the most incompetent. But she didn't have enough time to cause *that* much damage (what she did was enough)...so maybe Thatcher who has caused scars that have lasted decades? But then Cameron took us out of the EU because he's a feckless idiot, even Thatcher knew what was good for us there.

It's a minefield.

I always say Thatcher just because she set the template and we still follow it now. It's led to selfishness, xenophobia, fear of govt and the idea of 'taxpayers money'. Fucking nightmare she was.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The North East and various East Mids ex-mining towns voting Tory in 2019 absolutely blew my mind. What the fuck are you doing, do you not remember?

 

[prawnking]

I always say Thatcher just because she set the template and we still follow it now. It's led to selfishness, xenophobia, fear of govt and the idea of 'taxpayers money'

...and a generation (at least) of lickspittle Tory MPs in thrall to her legacy