Keir Starmer at it again..

[Johnny75]

It seems to me that those disillusioned with the Tories seek to demand the Labour Party change to suit their political stance than trying to return the Tory Party to a more acceptable option for them.

What a nasty post this is.

Real, 'you're not welcome' stuff.

Nobody has demanded anything from any party as far as I can see but you've taken this 'well that's not socialism, I'll tell you what socialism is and if you don't like it then you're not welcome'.

What a narrow minded view.

 

[Johnny75]

Please explain;

2017 GE - The Tories returned 317 MPs—a net loss of 13 seats relative to 2015—despite winning 42.4% of the vote (its highest share of the vote since 1983), whereas the Labour Party made a net gain of 30 seats with 40.0% (its highest vote share since 2001 and its highest increase in vote share between two general elections since 1945.

What were the 2019 results again?

 

[Templeton Peck]

What were the 2019 results again?

I was discussing 2017

 

[leedswolf]

What a nasty post this is.

Real, 'you're not welcome' stuff.

Nobody has demanded anything from any party as far as I can see but you've taken this 'well that's not socialism, I'll tell you what socialism is and if you don't like it then you're not welcome'.

What a narrow minded view.

That is not what I stated (yet again) is it? I even stated that if it's the will of the membership then so be it. Unlike you to take things out of context though is it?

As far a 'nasty' is concerned, try looking in the mirror.

 

[Johnny75]

I was discussing 2017

This is all echoes of Lage, started off well but everybody knew he was shit and eventually sacked after a miserable performance.

And then blamed everybody else.

 

[leedswolf]

What were the 2019 results again?

Explain the 2017 results.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Worth pointing out that Driscoll hasn't been nearly as successful as he claims (shades of Lage banging about 'most away wins ever') and sharing a platform with Ken Loach then not backing down given recent history is just foolish.

Even political opponents have been calling this out. Bit much for sharing a platform with Ken Loach. Starmer served under Corbyn and called him a friend maybe he needs to sack himself.

 

[Johnny75]

Explain the 2017 results.

See above.

 

[Templeton Peck]

This is all echoes of Lage, started off well but everybody knew he was shit and eventually sacked after a miserable performance.

And then blamed everybody else.

It's nothing to do with that you just didn't read my post properly.

 

[Johnny75]

It's nothing to do with that you just didn't read my post properly.

I did, you just don't want to admit Corbyn was shit.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

That is not what I stated (yet again) is it? I even stated that if it's the will of the membership then so be it. Unlike you to take things out of context though is it?

As far a 'nasty' is concerned, try looking in the mirror.

Just to know.
What is the number of labour members, versus labour voters.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

Just to know.
What is the number of labour members, versus labour voters.

Ah looked it up
Current labour party membership 400,000
Labour voters at disastrous 2019 election
Over 10,000,000.
So the will of 400,000 diehard fanatic members, is more important than the remainder of the over 10,000,000 labour supporters.
Not my idea of majority rule, and worse in the case of the tories
Members 200,000.
So, we live in a supposedly democratic society where our majority elected leaders, have to rule the country whilst ensuring they make major decisions on our lives as long as they placate the minority so they can stay in office.

 

[prawnking]

Self fulfilling. We've moved right as a nation and continue to do so. There isn't a magic point where we just settle. Keep accommodating and compromising with the Right and we just drift further along. At what point do you draw the line?

I'd also argue the public has been deliberately misled by the media over the last 40 years due to the influence of people like Rothermere and Murdoch. BBC too as they're scared of their own shadow. There needs to be some sort of voice left of Blair just to remind people a different conversation is possible.

The more the public heard from Labour in 2017 the more they liked it which is why the gap closed once the media had to report fairly. It was all a bit too close for comfort so media spent the next 2 years pouring buckets of shit on Corbyn and giving Johnson a free pass. That coupled with the shit Brexit policy was enough to hand Johnson victory.

So all we need to do is change the entire media landscape of the country from a position of opposition, then the stupid voters will finally be free to see how wonderful Corbyn and his 80's left wing politics are? Jesus.

 

[prawnking]

I did, you just don't want to admit Corbyn was shit.

They don't have to, he was never going to get Labour into power so it's just conspiracies and 'what ifs', and no compromises with reality have to be made. He's just a dull blank canvas to project what you want onto.

Socialism is really easy to scare-monger about if you're not smart, and Corbyn and McDonnell fell into every cliche imaginable as they're too stupid and too entrenched into being 'true believers' to actually realise anyone could be put off by it.

McDonnell reading from Mao's Little Red Book at the despatch box in the House of Commons... I mean, FFS. Field day for Tories and the right wing press.

 

[Templeton Peck]

So all we need to do is change the entire media landscape of the country from a position of opposition, then the stupid voters will finally be free to see how wonderful Corbyn and his 80's left wing politics are? Jesus.

Except that's not what I wrote. So there's that.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Just to know.
What is the number of labour members, versus labour voters.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1664945164744372225

 

[prawnking]

Except that's not what I wrote. So there's that.

You literally blamed the media for Corbyn leading Labour into virtual political oblivion and guaranteeing we still have these Tory/UKIP cunts in power till the end of next year at least

 

[leedswolf]

You literally blamed the media for Corbyn leading Labour into virtual political oblivion and guaranteeing we still have these Tory/UKIP cunts in power till the end of next year at least

Yet you alluded to McDonnell giving ammunition to the right wing press?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

To continue the analogy from before, the 2017 GE is to Corbynites what Lage's first three games were to his strange band of acolytes last year.

You know we still lost, don't you. And the wider spread of evidence across the whole tenure is far more damning.

 

[Templeton Peck]

To continue the analogy from before, the 2017 GE is to Corbynites what Lage's first three games were to his strange band of acolytes last year.

You know we still lost, don't you. And the wider spread of evidence across the whole tenure is far more damning.

Best performance for years though. Reversed the decline.