Keir Starmer at it again..

[visage]

Thats fine. The beef I have with nuclear is that its really difficult to do. The costs are eyewatering (Hinkley Point C is going to cost 50 billion quid by the time they're done), so you can only get financing if you promise to buy the electricity at really high prices for literally decades.

And now SMRs come along promising to fix all that, and the only evidence is 'trust me bro'. Meanwhile renewables are dropping in price exponentially every year.

Why not carry on building renewables and see where SMRs are in five years?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

It's interesting, have to say I've not been paying attention to nuclear power for a long time, I grew up in the era when all aspects of nuclear based energy production was considered 'evil.'
Does the waste still need hundreds of years of storage before its safe or have they found a better way of dealing with it?

They can recycle large amounts of it now.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Thats fine. The beef I have with nuclear is that its really difficult to do. The costs are eyewatering (Hinkley Point C is going to cost 50 billion quid by the time they're done), so you can only get financing if you promise to buy the electricity at really high prices for literally decades.

And now SMRs come along promising to fix all that, and the only evidence is 'trust me bro'. Meanwhile renewables are dropping in price exponentially every year.

Why not carry on building renewables and see where SMRs are in five years?

Yeah I get that.

We shouldn't just turn and face in one direction.

I know all too well how long these things take? I worked on Hinckley Point back in 2006

Edit: that was the original Hinckley Point!

 

[sycophantia]

They can recycle large amounts of it now.

I think that would bear some investigation.

 

[AndyWolves]

Thats fine. The beef I have with nuclear is that its really difficult to do. The costs are eyewatering (Hinkley Point C is going to cost 50 billion quid by the time they're done), so you can only get financing if you promise to buy the electricity at really high prices for literally decades.

And now SMRs come along promising to fix all that, and the only evidence is 'trust me bro'. Meanwhile renewables are dropping in price exponentially every year.

Why not carry on building renewables and see where SMRs are in five years?

Renewables and battery storage is the future imo.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I think that would bear some investigation.

There's plenty of it out there, I haven't made it up.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Renewables and battery storage is the future imo.

There's a lot of waste in batteries, they don't last long, they only perform well at a certain temperature so need to be (generally) stored in cooled (or heated) environments.

We've been conditioned to believe that batteries are the future and nuclear is evil, and batteries and renewables are obviously a better solution than fossil fuels but we'd really benefit by pushing forward with both nuclear and renewables.

Nuclear is so bloody efficient, safe, clean and consistent.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

We’ll have a lot of batteries sat on people’s drives when you can only buy electric cars. That capacity will surely be utilised at some point.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

We’ll have a lot of batteries sat on people’s drives when you can only buy electric cars. That capacity will surely be utilised at some point.

We need to get more batteries/power banks into people's homes too, it's a farce that the majority of solar goes back into the grid rather than straight into powering the home the PV is mounted on.

 

[Tredman]

Saved me a fortune getting a battery to go along with the solar panels and EVs. Payback is about 2.5 years.

 

[AndyWolves]

There's a lot of waste in batteries, they don't last long, they only perform well at a certain temperature so need to be (generally) stored in cooled (or heated) environments.

We've been conditioned to believe that batteries are the future and nuclear is evil, and batteries and renewables are obviously a better solution than fossil fuels but we'd really benefit by pushing forward with both nuclear and renewables.

Nuclear is so bloody efficient, safe, clean and consistent.

China seem to be making great strides with battery tech.

I don't believe nuclear is evil, but it takes so long to get new plants up and running. Something to bridge the gap in the meantime would be really beneficial.

Building renewables and battery tech feels like no regrets investment, to me anyway.

 

[AndyWolves]

We’ll have a lot of batteries sat on people’s drives when you can only buy electric cars. That capacity will surely be utilised at some point.

Vehicle to grid is already a thing. Not many cars but becoming more and more popular. I believe later models of the nissan leaf has this capability

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Saved me a fortune getting a battery to go along with the solar panels and EVs. Payback is about 2.5 years.

Love this, not enough of it happening though, particularly with new non domestic buildings.

 

[Tredman]

Vehicle to grid is already a thing. Not many cars but becoming more and more popular. I believe later models of the nissan leaf has this capability

It’s not the cars - mine has full V2G. Problem is lack of chargers - leafs only did it via antiquated chademo chargers.

 

[Tredman]

Love this, not enough of it happening though, particularly with new non domestic buildings.

People are trying - I interviewed for a role to lead a company doing off grid solar with storage for commercial companies. Got really into it then they said they wanted someone with more experience

 

[Dire Wolf]

A Labour Government. A Labour fucking Government. Shame on them. Bought and paid for.

 

[leedswolf]

A group of Labour MPs whose seats are under threat from Reform have formed the “Red Wall Caucus.” Their solution? Shouting more loudly about immigration and boasting about home office deportations. Keir Starmer has done just that, parroting Farage-esque rhetoric and decrying the Conservative Party’s “one-nation experiment in open borders” during a recent Prime Minister’s Questions.

But here’s the reality: Labour will never out-Farage Nigel Farage. No matter how hard they try, their immigration policy will never satisfy the far-right. And Europe has shown us the danger: when centre-left parties adopt far-right talking points, they don’t win over voters — they embolden their opponents. Voters prefer the original to the copy.

Labour cannot 'out-Farage' Reform UK — and shouldn't even try

Labour's rightward shift to counter the threat of Nigel Farage's Reform is doomed to fail and will only hasten voter exodus in years to come, says Taj Ali.

www.newarab.com

 

[Del Woppio]

In the last ten years it's gone from him being a fringe character that's largely fucking laughed at, to being completely normalised and in the house of commons, all because nobody, not one member of the political class, was willing or able face down his arguments with strength. And because we didn't deal with him properly, the issues he shouts about are getting worse.

I can't see how it ends tbh. The world is getting worse, global inequalities are getting starker, and immigration patterns are only going one way. Ultimately until public services and quality of life for indigenous folk has improved, then immigration is going to be spotlighted.

Now, we're at the point where I think you're going to be a one term PM unless you can get net migration trending down, and boat crossings are massively reduced. The issue is too prominent in people's minds. We've had 15 years of underinvestment in infrastructure, and the gap between supply and demand has been growing all that time, and until that delta is reversed then it's going to be a major policy point

 

[Tony Towner]

The problem is because of Brexit we need none EU immigration and the boats account for less that 10% of that. It's a political rather than economic issue which there's no obvious solution to

 

[Del Woppio]

It's less than 10% - but it it an enormous amount of money, and it is causing many communities problems and clearly it's politically a huge problem. People with shit lives are struggling, and while they may be angry at the wrong people, their vote still counts

It's going to continue to be top of the agenda imo