Keir Starmer at it again..

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Amazing how much all of this gets talked about.

Yet the child abuse dossier "lost" on a train by May's government doesn't even get spoken about and was far more dodgy and recent.

Absolutely fucking incredible that was.

 

[Sniffer]

but for me he never rebuked a fundamental question, which is did Gordon Browns's government advise the police and social services, to go easy on grooming gangs and blame the young underage children for being promiscuous, so not to cause racial tension?

Gordon Brown has…

There is no basis for such allegations at all. They are a complete fabrication. There is no foundation whatsoever for alleging that Mr Brown sent, approved or was in any way involved with issuing a circular or statement to the police because it did not happen.
The original source of this allegations has expressly accepted Mr Brown was not involved at all. Moreover, there is no evidence that such words or actions now attributed to him by Elon Musk have ever been used by Mr Brown, because he neither said nor did them.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

Gordon Brown has…

There is no basis for such allegations at all. They are a complete fabrication. There is no foundation whatsoever for alleging that Mr Brown sent, approved or was in any way involved with issuing a circular or statement to the police because it did not happen.
The original source of this allegations has expressly accepted Mr Brown was not involved at all. Moreover, there is no evidence that such words or actions now attributed to him by Elon Musk have ever been used by Mr Brown, because he neither said nor did them.

Former chief prosecutor Nazir Afzal actually said the circular came from the home office, from the very top. That is not a fabrication, he actually said it.
He might be trying damage limitation now, but listen to his original statement.

"if you think about it, you may not know this, but in 2008, the Home Office sent a circular to all police forces in the country saying "as far as these young girls being exploited in towns and cities (are concerned), we believe they've made an informed choice about their sexual behaviour and therefore it's not for you police officers to get involved in.“°
girls being exploited in towns and cities (are
concerned), we believe they've made an informed
choice about thei.....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1876174769747599553

That is a huge allegation and against the backdrop that many children were raped and tortured and that police didn’t investigate many cases which they now said they should have at the time, there needs to be a national enquiry, because it happened all over the country and the truth needs to come out, who had instructed the police to often turn a blind eye, to young children being gang raped and tortured.
I believe Starmer has no guilt at all in this, but not having a national enquiry he is leaving himself open to very serious accusations. I also believe the people responsible, if there were instructions not to investigate these crimes should be prosecuted.

Who is it that can tell the police not to investigate the raping of children?

 

[Del Woppio]

That comment is very very different to 'we'll let them off with this rape, don't want to upset any brown chaps'. It's unacceptable, of course, but there was not an edict published to hush rape cases for fear of antagonising racial tensions.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

That comment is very very different to 'we'll let them off with this rape, don't want to upset any brown chaps'. It's unacceptable, of course, but there was not an edict published to hush rape cases for fear of antagonising racial tensions.

Can you tell me then, who would tell the police and other agencies not to investigate the rapes of the children then and make it like it was the girls fault?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Nobody did.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

Nobody did.

So Nazir Afzal who was chief prosecutor was lying then?

He is now saying this,,

"Let me clarify an issue:
I was told by some officers that Home Office Circular 17/2008 had led to others interpreting it as permitting them to allow a child, past the age of puberty, to continue engaging in sexual activity where the officer perceived them to understand dangers"

He is making it worst. Are the Home Office so bad at writing circulars, that some police interpreted it, as permitting them to allow a child at the age of puberty to continue in sexual activity. I mean that could be 11 years old. The police can't make up laws by interpretation.
He is backtracking and making the situation worse.
It still doesn't clear up, why the police weren't arresting grooming gangs, when the young girls, or their parents reported rape.
Starmer tightened things up and as far as I can see, he did a good job when he was crown prosecutor.
I really think that a national investigation in to if the police were told not to arrest 50 year old men who were having sex with girls as young as 12. Of the police misinterpreted the circular, or if there was never a circular. One thing is for sure, the children weren't protected by, who they were meant to be protected by.

 

[Del Woppio]

Has there been any published evidence on these 'circulars'? Presumably as they were sent to every police station there's a record of that, and evidence of policy training etc?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

So Nazir Afzal who was chief prosecutor was lying then?

He is now saying this,,

"Let me clarify an issue:
I was told by some officers that Home Office Circular 17/2008 had led to others interpreting it as permitting them to allow a child, past the age of puberty, to continue engaging in sexual activity where the officer perceived them to understand dangers"

He is making it worst. Are the Home Office so bad at writing circulars, that some police interpreted it, as permitting them to allow a child at the age of puberty to continue in sexual activity. I mean that could be 11 years old. The police can't make up laws by interpretation.
He is backtracking and making the situation worse.
It still doesn't clear up, why the police weren't arresting grooming gangs, when the young girls, or their parents reported rape.
Starmer tightened things up and as far as I can see, he did a good job when he was crown prosecutor.
I really think that a national investigation in to if the police were told not to arrest 50 year old men who were having sex with girls as young as 12. Of the police misinterpreted the circular, or if there was never a circular. One thing is for sure, the children weren't protected by, who they were meant to be protected by.

The bit in quotes is utterly inadmissable hearsay

chief prosecutor should know that

 

[Walshes Wolves]

Has there been any published evidence on these 'circulars'? Presumably as they were sent to every police station there's a record of that, and evidence of policy training etc?

That is why you need a national enquiry. You can't have a chief prosecutor, saying there was a circular and it not being true.
If he is lying, I honestly think the book should be thrown at him, as his original interview on channel 4 where he did say there was one, made it clear it came from the home office. I find it very far fetched that some back room official would write a circular and the police would take any notice. You would have thought also, if some police""misinterpreted" the circular, that other police officers would have questioned why they weren't arresting pedophiles and saying that the children were old enough for sex. I am sorry, but that is beyond belief.

 

[visage]

What would another national enquiry reveal that the previous ones have missed?

 

[Walshes Wolves]

The bit in quotes is utterly inadmissable hearsay

chief prosecutor should know that

Then why wasn't he pulled up and corrected publicly, when he had his original interview on channel 4 in 2018?
I mean,, rather his original interview were lies or it is the truth, either way, he caused such distrust in the government and police, if he is lying, he should have the book thrown at him.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Because it is inadmissable in a court of law but he can spout it where he likes on tv as the rules of evidence dont apply there.

For the record i think he is a liar

 

[Walshes Wolves]

What would another national enquiry reveal that the previous ones have missed?

We would be able to find out if there was a government circular, who issued it and if true, why are police allowing grown men to sleep with children.
The children who were raped, tortured and sometimes were killed, deserve justice.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

All the previous enquiries missed this "circular"?

It is bollocks

 

[Walshes Wolves]

Because it is inadmissable in a court of law but he can spout it where he likes on tv as the rules of evidence dont apply there.

For the record i think he is a liar

Well he is definitely a liar, because he is changing his story.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

In HIS opinion, he was told by SOME police officers (unnamed) that certain OTHER officers (unnamed) MIGHT interpret the legendary circular in this way. All without a shred of factual backing.

And no-one else has seen this circular.

Pull the other one

 

[Walshes Wolves]

All the previous enquiries missed this "circular"?

It is bollocks

Can you explain to me though, why police officers weren't arresting all of the older men who were sleeping, with children, under the age of consent, as it is ilegal?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I will bet it has fuck all to do with a circular that doesnt exist

 

[Walshes Wolves]

I will bet it has fuck all to do with a circular that doesnt exist

How someone gets to be a chief prosecutor and makes up things like that then, is scary.