Paddingtonwolf
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It is called an agenda
Keir Starmer at it again..
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Walshes Wolves
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I got this off Wikipedia.
One of his first decisions on becoming a chief
crown prosecutor was to initiate prosecutions in
the case of the Rochdale child sex abuse ring,
overturning an earlier decision by the CPS. He
suggested that "white professionals' over-
sensitivity to political correctness and fear of
appearing racist may well have contributed to
justice being stalled".
Do you think he is talking about the police there?
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The police don't need any encouragement when it comes to ignoring and/or treating the victims of sexual violence disgustingly.
69,000 rapes to June 2024 and less than 2.7% of that number resulted in charges brought much less convicted.
Throw in the numerous tales of WhatsApp groups, David Carrick and Wayne Couzens.
There are numerous studies of police culture and how they view the victims of sexual violence, this is the latest example of it.
To talk specifically about the victims of CSE gangs etc you've got to look at the wider class war and social exclusion of these children who were left vulnerable to exploitation. Nobody wants to look at that because there's too many uncomfortable truths that politicians, media and elements of the general public were complicit in the dehumanisation of these kids which enabled these animals.
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Pippa Crerar (@pippacrerar.bsky.social)
Prof Alexis Jay, chair of public inquiry into child sexual abuse, says further national inquiry into grooming gangs isn’t needed & would delay action. “The time has passed for more inquiries, we’ve had enough… We’ve set out action required & people should just get on with it, nationally & locally”
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Alexis Jay agrees that a new enquiry isn't needed.
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I have no dog in this fight, but saying "people should just get on with it" doesn't sit well with me, kind of thing they used to say about Hillsborough.
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If you read that, I think the report leaves a lot of questions to be answered.
www.independent.co.uk
What did the child sexual abuse inquiry say about grooming gangs?
The £186.6 million inquiry, set up in 2015, looked at 15 areas scrutinising institutional responses to child sexual abuse.
www.independent.co.uk
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As it said the required actions have already been stated, so in this case they should just 'get on' with implementing them. Why would we need another inquiry when there's already been one?
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Because they were very selective in the areas that they investigated about grooming gangs. Also because the report leaves lots of unanswered questions.
Which questions are unanswered?
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Why were the police not arresting grown men, when they were having sex with children?
Who gave the orders, to not investigate children who were raped by grown men?
Were the attacks on children racial? as the vast amount of gang rapes on children were by a different ethnicity, against white children.
If they were racial, the perpetrators Need to get heavier sentences, because race was hidden, or not talked about, for fear of the backlash.
There are many other questions about those dark days, that need to be answered.
They were. Thats how we ended up with dozens of men being convicted.
We have no evidence that any such orders were made.
You want sentencing to be based on ethnicity? SO a white person raping a white kid gets a lesser sentence than a brown person doing the exact same crime?
Thats pretty sketchy.
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I want every body to be treated the same.
If groups of white men went around raping vulnerable children of another ethnicity, would you be calling them racist attacks on children of a different ethnicity?
The report clearly says that they should have looked at the ethnicity and it should have been recorded by the the police.
The sentences would have rightly been much harsher if there was racial element to the attacks on young white children.
Read the part of the report about the grooming gangs, it says police were frightened to mention ethnicity. Would they have been so frightened, if it was white people doing it?
I think things are a lot better and the police keep better records now, however injustices did happen to those children and their families and it would be a good thing that the right people are punished for that.
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Playing devils advocate here Vis, as I agree with the majority of what you state. However racially aggravated assault is a differently categorised crime to assault. Thus I suppose it is arguable that if there are racial aspects to the CSE, this could be included as a factor when considering sentencing?
I am trying to work out whether I feel adding a racist aspect to CSE is more heinous? I don't have a definitive answer. We know that historically rape has been used in war scenarios.
I do however feel that the majority jumping up and down on this issue are doing so owing to their perspectives on who the perpetrators are (there seems to be an almost hysteria that it is only ethnic groups exploiting white children. I doubt that is the case).
Let us also not kid ourselves - neither musk, nor farage, nor jenrick really care about these kids or preventing CSE. They have never campaigned on such a mandate.
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Plenty of previous dog whistling from the "Law & Order" party.
www.bbc.co.uk
Although a Home Office report suggested
www.ucl.ac.uk
Grooming gangs and ethnicity: What does the evidence say? - BBC News
Home Secretary Suella Braverman made several comments about the ethnicity of some high-profile gangs.
www.bbc.co.uk
Although a Home Office report suggested
Analysis: A new Home Office report admits grooming gangs are not a ‘Muslim problem'
The study finds no credible evidence for a far-right stereotype that has spread widely in the media, writes Dr Ella Cockbain (UCL Security & Crime Science) in an article co-authored with Dr Waqas Tufail for The Guardian.
They are. The sentencing guidelines apply to everyone.
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So, we need yet another multi million pound enquiry mr farage?
It's pretty simple to me, in this supposedly equality based multi ethnic society.
1. Don't call them pakistani grooming gangs, just call them, Grooming gangs
As someone said before they are not all pakistani for sure.
2. Don't call them white children, call them children.
The age of consent is sixteen unless i'm mistaken, so any child groomed, raped or whatever under 16, or without consent is a child victim.
Not a white child, a brown child or a yellow child, just an underage child.
It's pretty simple to me, in this supposedly equality based multi ethnic society.
1. Don't call them pakistani grooming gangs, just call them, Grooming gangs
As someone said before they are not all pakistani for sure.
2. Don't call them white children, call them children.
The age of consent is sixteen unless i'm mistaken, so any child groomed, raped or whatever under 16, or without consent is a child victim.
Not a white child, a brown child or a yellow child, just an underage child.
