Jeremy Corbyn

[lemonjelly]

"Owen Smith was in the shadow cabinet until two weeks ago and he came to see me to say he was very happy in the shadow cabinet and wanted to stay there and then left the meeting and resigned which was a slightly odd thing to do," said the Labour leader.

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[FrankMunro-371]

Sadiq Khan has backed Smith in the Leadership election. It will make little difference. Corbyn will win easily, and he will continue as leader of a party that clearly has no wish to form a government any time soon.

 

[YoungWolf]

Khan has made himself look so silly now. The sooner people who have no interest in supporting Corbyn just fuck off the better - nobody stands a chance against him in the leadership contest anyway! And yet digs will be continue to be aimed at Corbyn for not being a 'leader', I think he is handling it pretty well. They are quite clearly scared of a change to the status quo.

This clip was rather enjoyable: https://twitter.com/VictoriaLIVE/status/765851787244871681?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

 

[arklowolf]

God Corbyn's an arsehole. His latest list of enemies released to his online trolls, tearing the Labour party apart.
Must admit I'm loving it.

 

[Lupo]

Jeremy Corbyn has been re-elected as leader of the Labour Party

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Labour as a party are finished for the forseeablke future. Congratulations on ensuring selfish capitalism remains the British way. Now all you labour MPs who don't agree or support corbyn should resign from the party and trigger a by election. I am hoping something good will come of this but fear the worst. If they had got PR it would not be such a disaster. But with Scotland all SNP boundary changes and Corbyn back they are unelectable. Watch the right wing really move in now. You thought ukip were bad. You ain't seen nothing yet. Its a simp!e equation. No challenge plus brexit equals right wing policies. I am still hoping for a new SDP to emerge from this carnage. Tories must be pissing them selves! How to be less popular yet get more support without lifting a finger. Fucks sake

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Jeremy Corbyn has been re-elected as leader of the Labour Party

Excellent news

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Labour as a party are finished for the forseeablke future. Congratulations on ensuring selfish capitalism remains the British way. Now all you labour MPs who don't agree or support corbyn should resign from the party and trigger a by election. I am hoping something good will come of this but fear the worst. If they had got PR it would not be such a disaster. But with Scotland all SNP boundary changes and Corbyn back they are unelectable. Watch the right wing really move in now. You thought ukip were bad. You ain't seen nothing yet. Its a simp!e equation. No challenge plus brexit equals right wing policies. I am still hoping for a new SDP to emerge from this carnage. Tories must be pissing them selves! How to be less popular yet get more support without lifting a finger. Fucks sake

As an avowed UKIP supporter I struggle to see how you can argue against awful right wing politics.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

As an avowed UKIP supporter I struggle to see how you can argue against awful right wing politics.

That shows a lack of understanding of ukip policies.while you maintain they are rightwing I see myself as centre right. There are a number of policies that are quite liberal

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Such as?

Please don't pretend that Nigel Farage is in any way liberal, except for his vested interest in the finance sector.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Such as?

Please don't pretend that Nigel Farage is in any way liberal, except for his vested interest in the finance sector.

Farage has gone. He did what he wanted to do with Brexit. If the SDP had been stronger then I would have supported them re Brexit but they were not and I cant and wont vote tory. Liberals too wishy washy and I dont agree with lots of their stuff. UKIP policies however have a better ring. These are from the 2015 election but still hold good.
Raise the personal tax allowance to at least £13,000, taking those on minimum wage out of tax altogether
Raise the threshold for paying 40% tax to £55,000 and introduce a new 30% intermediate rate on earnings between £45,300 and £55,000
Abolish inheritance tax
Increase the transferable tax allowance for married couples to £1,500
Ensure big corporations pay their fair share of tax
Remove VAT from listed building repairs and sanitary products.

Fairly central/ liberal certainly not right wing

Leave the EU and take back control of our borders
End immigration for unskilled jobs for a five-year period to re-balance our work economy
Introduce an Australian-style points-based immigration system to assess all potential migrants to Britain on a fair, ethical and equal basis
Tackle the problem of sham marriages
Introduce a new visa system for workers, visitors, students, families and asylum seekers
End access to benefits and free NHS treatment for new immigrants until they have paid tax and NI for five years
Require all visitors and new immigrants to the UK to have their own health insurance.

Right of centre

und 20,000 more nurses, 8,000 more GPs and 3,000 more midwives
Invest an extra £1.5 billion into mental health and dementia services over the next five years
Scrap hospital parking charges
End ‘health tourism’ by making sure those ineligible for free NHS care pay for treatment
Replace Monitor and the CQC with powerful new County Health Boards to drive up standards.

Central

Integrate health and social care and bring both under the control of the NHS
Increase social care funding in total by £5.2 billion between 2015 and 2020
Promise to invest any tax profits from ‘fracking’ into setting up a Sovereign Wealth Fund to pay for elderly care
Protect services such as day care centres, home care and Meals on Wheels
Abolish the practice of arranging home-care visits in 15-minute windows
Keep the current free bus pass, winter fuel allowance, free TV licence and free prescriptions and eye test schemes for all pensioners, without means testing.

Fairly liberal i would suggest

Support a lower cap on benefits
Crack down on benefit fraud
End welfare tourism with a five-year embargo on benefits for migrants
Stop child benefit being paid to children who don’t live here permanently and limit child benefit to two children for new claimants
Scrap the ‘bedroom tax’
These are centre policies not right wing in fact quite social

Honour existing childcare voucher and tax-free childcare schemes
Extend these existing schemes to informal, non-Ofsted registered childminders
Offer wrap-around childcare before and after school for every school-age child
Amend planning legislation to ensure more nurseries are built to expand childcare places
Give parents easy access to emergency childcare through their local authority
Legislate for an initial presumption of 50-50 shared parenting in child residency matters, and give grandparents visiting rights
Initiate a thorough review of childcare and child safeguarding systems

Centre -liberal policies in general?

Ease teachers’ workloads by cutting down on assessments, data collection and appraisals
Scrap teachers’ performance-related pay
Abolish Key Stage 1 SAT tests at primary level
End sex education for primary school children
Bring back grammar schools and support a range of secondary schools including vocational, technical and specialist schools
Waive tuition fees for science, technology, engineering, mathematics and medicine (STEMM) subjects at university
Make First Aid training part of the national curriculum.

difficult to categorize these but certainly not draconian

Protect the green belt
Bring empty homes back into use
Build one million homes on brownfield sites by 2020
Prioritise social housing for those with local connections to an area
Give local people the final say on major planning developments in their area
Restrict the ‘Right-to-Buy’ and ‘Help-to-Buy’ schemes to British nationals
Oppose the so-called ‘Mansion Tax.’

Centre bordering on centre left

In conclusion whilst these are only a snap shot and many of them are statements rather than meaningful policies it does show a lot of centre ground rather than right wing extremism as perpetuated in many circles. There is more here but I guess youre not really interested in it! http://www.ukip.org/ukip_manifesto_summary I dont agree with everything they put here , but always wanted out of the EU. However much of this makes some sense to me while lots of what toy and Labour and Liberal dish out is just Rhetoric and never likely to happen IMHO

 

[Tredman]

They're bullshit policies from a party which knows they won't be elected.

I could form a party tomorrow and say I'll give everyone £20k a year tax free and paint sandwell old gold. I could say any old shit and it wouldn't matter as I would have no chance of being elected etc etc

 

[Kenny]

They're bullshit policies from a party which knows they won't be elected.

I could form a party tomorrow and say I'll give everyone £20k a year tax free and paint sandwell old gold. I could say any old shit and it wouldn't matter as I would have no chance of being elected etc etc

Form that party NOW please.

 

[Tredman]

Plenty of time for that, currently enjoying a nice beer and a not so nice curry.

 

[WarwickWolf]

Has the next Labour PM been born yet?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

They're bull$#@! policies from a party which knows they won't be elected.

I could form a party tomorrow and say I'll give everyone £20k a year tax free and paint sandwell old gold. I could say any old $#@! and it wouldn't matter as I would have no chance of being elected etc etc

That was not the question or the point. Regardless of how realistic or genuine the policies are it was whether they were right wing. My argument was that many were quite social or liberal statements or policies rather than right wing

 

[Tredman]

They are populist policies that's all, and that was my point. Ill thought out ideas and policies designed to capture the mind of people unable to look beyond a Sun headline.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

They are populist policies that's all, and that was my point. Ill thought out ideas and policies designed to capture the mind of people unable to look beyond a Sun headline.

Popularist yes but not right wing per sei

UKIP has done what it said on the tin re Brexit. The issue for British politics is where those votes will now go in future elections post brexit. The opportunity for Labour to build a sensible social leaning party has been missed twice by electing Corbyn. At least you know what youre getting. For me I cant lean that far to the left. I also will not lurch to the right. So I am one of many millions of voters who are looking to a party to appeal to my central and social leanings whilst keeping sensible watch on public spending but keeping the services , the NHS and the army etc staffed and effectively funded. New Labour could not cut it. Lib Dems are just too whet at the moment. The only party that comes close is too small to have national candidates at every election and that is the SDP. Social policies and committed to Brexit. They could appeal but need a lot of high profile defectors to join them and quickly . I cant see that happening. So where does that leave me? Probably not voting unfortunately! I cant be hypocritical to the extent of voting for any of the big three as I have fundamental issues with each.

 

[Tredman]

Popularist yes but not right wing per sei

That's usually the nature of the right wing populism though, coupled with an undercurrent of racism and harking back to some mythological golden age where the women, the poor and foreigners knew their place.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

That's usually the nature of the right wing populism though, coupled with an undercurrent of racism and harking back to some mythological golden age where the women, the poor and foreigners knew their place.

Nothing like a bit of stereo typing is there! Good job I didnt talk about great unwashed, demonstrating, nuclear disraming, tree hugging, greenpeace loving hippies on the dole in my example. Touche

In every party there are extremes. Left and Right, either way are not good for anything, at any time. Please see the worst extremes of Stalin and Hitler as an example. What I and millions of others seem to crave is a moderate mid ground sadly missing in UK politics.