Jeremy Corbyn

[The Saturday Boy]

Corbyn's most left wing policies are state control of certain industries, rail for example, which have fairly good levels of support. Any policies that refer to investment in public services are part of the cyclical nature of Britush politics - even under Thatcher there were times of increased public sector spending - true that was sometimes due to an increased welfare bill but she also oversaw increased wage growth for public sector workers too.

Corbyn is referred to as hard left in comparison to the recent Labour Party that drifted to centre right under Blair with some left of centre policies. In reality he is on the left of the Labour Party but hardly extreme left. He is, by his own admission, an accidental leader and if it wasn't for the fact that any challenger needs to be nominate he would probably have stepped down if the PLP would have nominated someone he could get behind (Clive Lewis?) but the truth is the PLP would not do that because they know their own candidate can't win. Instead, they get Owen Smith to dress up like a pantomine horse spouting off policy ideas he doesn't believe in and the PLP wouldn't support.

The Labour Party has just spent 12 weeks selfishly naval gazing and deserves the trouncing it is getting in the polls.

 

[Tredman]

Nothing like a bit of stereo typing is there! Good job I didnt talk about great unwashed, demonstrating, nuclear disraming, tree hugging, greenpeace loving hippies on the dole in my example. Touche

In every party there are extremes. Left and Right, either way are not good for anything, at any time. Please see the worst extremes of Stalin and Hitler as an example. What I and millions of others seem to crave is a moderate mid ground sadly missing in UK politics.

Indeed, I left the labour party after 20 years following the referendum since it no longer reflected my beliefs, or my hopes and ideals.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Indeed, I left the labour party after 20 years following the referendum since it no longer reflected my beliefs, or my hopes and ideals.

So from what appears to be opposite camps we both find ourselves in the same position of looking for a viable alternative political view. Want to form a new SDP?

 

[nimrod]

jeez, that ukip 'policy' list just highlights the state of 'politics' today.

Ensure big corporations pay their fair share of tax (like ANY party would say differently)
Protect the green belt (presumably, via fracking)
Promise to invest any tax profits from ‘fracking’ into setting up a Sovereign Wealth Fund to pay for elderly care (tax profits? what does that even mean?)

it's like a few people on the street getting together and writing down some soundbites for things they don't like then claiming they have a blueprint for running the country. Jez Mox would love this list.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

jeez, that ukip 'policy' list just highlights the state of 'politics' today.

Ensure big corporations pay their fair share of tax (like ANY party would say differently)
Protect the green belt (presumably, via fracking)
Promise to invest any tax profits from ‘fracking’ into setting up a Sovereign Wealth Fund to pay for elderly care (tax profits? what does that even mean?)

it's like a few people on the street getting together and writing down some soundbites for things they don't like then claiming they have a blueprint for running the country. Jez Mox would love this list.

Oh and scrap trident is a vote winner!

Every party has policies to draw people in. Its what happens in power that counts. Successive labour and Tory government's have over sold and under delivered the UK voter. Now Corbyns labour is obviously left leaning at a time when 5 million centre votes are up for grabs just seems to be a bit of a shot in the foot.

Labour under Corbyn can't and won't ever get a mandate unless Theresa May suddenly dons jack boots and insists the cabinet wear black uniforms, whilst saluting with their right arms whenever she walks in or is mentioned.
Labour membership have scored the biggesdt own goal since Neil Kinnock threw away an election in the early 90s

 

[nimrod]

Oh and scrap trident is a vote winner!

Every party has policies to draw people in. Its what happens in power that counts. Successive labour and Tory government's have over sold and under delivered the UK voter. Now Corbyns labour is obviously left leaning at a time when 5 million centre votes are up for grabs just seems to be a bit of a shot in the foot.

Labour under Corbyn can't and won't ever get a mandate unless Theresa May suddenly dons jack boots and insists the cabinet wear black uniforms, whilst saluting with their right arms whenever she walks in or is mentioned.
Labour membership have scored the biggesdt own goal since Neil Kinnock threw away an election in the early 90s

all very interesting, but as typical of a football forum 'politics' thread, absolutely nothing to do with my observations, except perhaps fulfilling the first one highlighting, with some despair, the state of politics today. - ie let's make an observation on an unrelated point to try and avoid dealing with the one that was made. i'm really not sure if it's possible for the country to dumb things down any further.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Oh and scrap trident is a vote winner!

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-britain-scrap-trident/21868

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ar-weapons-programme-poll-shows-a6831376.html

Although the polls vary it does seem that those on the right politically are more likely to view retention of a nuclear deterrent more favourably than those on the left but across the country as a whole it is an issue that divides opinion. Keep trident and Labour loses favour with some, scrap it and they lose favour with others. What the polls also suggest is that it isn't a big issue for most - in the past year it was a big issue for the media but only because a decision was being made about whether to replace trident.

 

[Johnny75]

I watched John McDonald this morning on Robert Peston's show. I'm not sure what to make of him; he is a clearly a very strong character with an almost psychotic deliberance. I didn't agree with his left wing policies but I had an admiration for his belief in them. I didn't believe him when he said left, right and centre had a place in his party as it didn't ring true in the manner of the rest of the interview, almost like he knew he was lying so didn't bother to convince.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

I watched John McDonald this morning on Robert Peston's show. I'm not sure what to make of him; he is a clearly a very strong character with an almost psychotic deliberance. I didn't agree with his left wing policies but I had an admiration for his belief in them. I didn't believe him when he said left, right and centre had a place in his party as it didn't ring true in the manner of the rest of the interview, almost like he knew he was lying so didn't bother to convince.

Having a place and having any real influence are very different things. The right of the Labour Party have been "put in their place" and have very little influence at the moment.

 

[Tony Towner]

...and the party will be one of protest rather than Government for a minimum of another 9 years. Frank saying "good" about Corbyn being elected sickens me to the core because if I was of his political persuasion I'd agree with him.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

...and the party will be one of protest rather than Government for a minimum of another 9 years. Frank saying "good" about Corbyn being elected sickens me to the core because if I was of his political persuasion I'd agree with him.

Which is a huge step up from what it has been since 2010 (and earlier). Amazing how so many conveniently forget the huge number of voters who have left the Labour Party in the last 10 years. The Labour Party 2010-2015 didn't even protest while it consigned itself to opposition, just offered a slightly watered down version of what the Conservatives put on the table without ever convincing the electorate.

 

[Tony Towner]

Equally amazing how people forget why people voted Labour in 2007

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Equally amazing how people forget why people voted Labour in 2007

You mean 1997 and Labour had been out of power for 18 years and the Conservatives had been bogged down with a succession of scandals and a leader without any charisma. The 1997 Labour Party manifesto was based on Conservative Party spending pledges - as is the usual, the incumbent government lost. A truer reflection of those years would be the rate of decline in the Labour vote while in power.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

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[Tony Towner]

This discussion as always is circular TSB. You and many others want a Labour Party who you believe is true to its values and principles, which I fully respect. I want one that is electable. I'd rather have a 'red Tory' Government than a blue one.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

This discussion as always is circular TSB. You and many others want a Labour Party who you believe is true to its values and principles, which I fully respect. I want one that is electable. I'd rather have a 'red Tory' Government than a blue one.

what I really want is a Britain free from Europe, a Britain that has sensible social and care provision that is both affordable for the country and effective, a welfare and benefits system fit for purpose, armed services and emergency services that are not woefully under funded and yet have cutting edge technology and equipment at their disposal, a government that is elected as a representative of the votes not a first past the post system that allows 34% to rule with a majority. There are many many other things that I would like to see but I doubt it will happen and Labour certainly wont be delivering on my list in the near future

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Policy and Action
The SDP is committed to the wellbeing of all members of society.
SDP Party policy formulation and actions at all levels and by all members, is governed and guided by our ten SDP PRINCIPLES.
The S.D.P. Is committed to a fully representative system of elections and openness of government.
The S.D.P. Seeks to eliminate poverty and promote greater equality.
The S.D.P. Is committed to strengthening Britain’s economy by encouraging all forms of legitimate enterprise in the Cooperative, Mutual, Private and Public Sectors. Back
The S.D.P. Seeks to promote a social market economy to ensure a fair distribution of rewards and to meet social needs by public investment.
The S.D.P. Supports the greatest practical degree of decentralisation of decision-making in all spheres of our national life.
The S.D.P. Would repeal the European Communities Act 1972. Ensuring sovereign powers of government are returned. Enabling Britain to be governed in accordance with Social Democratic Party principles and policies.
The S.D.P. Is concerned to improve the quality of public and community services and seeing that they are made responsive to peoples needs and that those providing them are fully accountable.
The S.D.P is committed to the defence of human rights at home and abroad.
The S.D.P. believes in a coherent and integrated approach to environmental protection at home and abroad. And will seek to promote a responsible collective approach to global problems.
The S.D.P supports the concept of Britain playing a full and constructive role within the framework of the European and World communities.

The S.D.P is run out of somebody's living room.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

This discussion as always is circular TSB. You and many others want a Labour Party who you believe is true to its values and principles, which I fully respect. I want one that is electable. I'd rather have a 'red Tory' Government than a blue one.

I want one that is both of these things. Blair and Brown (and Mandelson and Campbell) transformed the Labour Party into neither.

 

[Dinowolf]

This discussion as always is circular TSB. You and many others want a Labour Party who you believe is true to its values and principles, which I fully respect. I want one that is electable. I'd rather have a 'red Tory' Government than a blue one.

No, no. Never again.

Many parties of the past have been elected because the Govt. in power were so unpopular, not because they were seen as electable.

It's time for proper democracy. What the Brexit vote and the Labour leadership votes have shown us is that there is a populist movement in the country and NOW is the time for electoral reform.

 

[Tony Towner]

No, no. Never again.

Many parties of the past have been elected because the Govt. in power were so unpopular, not because they were seen as electable.

It's time for proper democracy. What the Brexit vote and the Labour leadership votes have shown us is that there is a populist movement in the country and NOW is the time for electoral reform.

The only electoral reform you'll get under a Tory Government is the 'independent' redrawing of boundaries which invariably benefits them. I have yet to see any evidence that Corbyn's undoubted support within his own Party is resonating with the wider electorate and very much doubt it ever will.