Coronavirus

[leedswolf]

The hypocrisy you've seen from the govt has undermined that, which is the point people are making about if they don't follow the rules, why should I.

There was an expression my parents used which I heard a lot during my teenage years, "Two wrongs don't make a right".

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I think the fundamental point you are missing is that alot of people have reached the point of believing that lockdowns do more harm than good.

Most people want to be law abiding and not break the rules, even if they didn't fully agree. The hypocrisy you've seen from the govt has undermined that, which is the point people are making about if they don't follow the rules, why should I.

Because toeing the party line shouldn't be anyone's driver for following the rules, you're not doing it to be a good law abiding citizen, you should be doing it to protect those that you come into contact with, many of whom I would assume are cared for. The rebellious attitude isn't doing anything to give Boris a bloody nose, this isn't some protest at the ballot box, all you're doing is increasing the risk on yourself and everyone else you come into contact with.

Everything about that mindset is illogical.

Critcise the government for breaking their own rules? Why be a hypocrite and break them too?

Don't like or value lockdowns? Why act in a way that's going to make their introduction more likely?

Everyone has to do their bit here, same has they have for the last nearly two years now. People have to remember who they're doing this for, it's not Boris or the rest of his government, it's for yourselves and everyone you care about. Even for people who see little threat to themselves or their common contacts, let this virus get out there in huge volumes just leads to more mutations that could eventually to lead to something of far greater risk.

If people just stuck to the advice when it's at it's more relaxed levels then there'd rarely be need to increase them to some of the more restrictive policies we've seen at times, but people don't so they have to be forced and then loads cry off like they've been hard done by.

 

[WolfMan]

There was an expression my parents used which I heard a lot during my teenage years, "Two wrongs don't make a right".

You've taken part of my post and then made a point without the context.

People don't think it's wrong to not follow the rules so it's not "two wrongs"

Some people may have followed the rules, just because they were the rules - not the case now.

 

[Tony Towner]

Assuming this is genuine then this is proper messaging

 

[Tredman]

Cuts through more there perhaps where that last paragraph will mean millions of dollars in hospital fees. Focuses the mind that.

 

[WolfMan]

Because toeing the party line shouldn't be anyone's driver for following the rules, you're not doing it to be a good law abiding citizen, you should be doing it to protect those that you come into contact with, many of whom I would assume are cared for. The rebellious attitude isn't doing anything to give Boris a bloody nose, this isn't some protest at the ballot box, all you're doing is increasing the risk on yourself and everyone else you come into contact with.

Everything about that mindset is illogical.

It's not illogical if you and your loved ones have assessed the risks and decided, as we enter the 3rd year of the pandemic, that the risk is worth taking. Alot of these elderly people might not see another Christmas.

The conversation is always about "risk" as if physical safety is the only thing that matters. Animals live massively longer in captivity than the wild but no-one realistically thinks they'd all be better off in the zoo do they.

Critcise the government for breaking their own rules? Why be a hypocrite and break them too?

Don't like or value lockdowns? Why act in a way that's going to make their introduction more likely?

This is a bit of strange point - lock yourself down so you don't get locked down?

Everyone has to do their bit here, same has they have for the last nearly two years now. People have to remember who they're doing this for, it's not Boris or the rest of his government, it's for yourselves and everyone you care about. Even for people who see little threat to themselves or their common contacts, let this virus get out there in huge volumes just leads to more mutations that could eventually to lead to something of far greater risk.

Seeing people is a collaborative effort, everyone seeing each other will be doing it voluntarily and will know the risks.

If people just stuck to the advice when it's at it's more relaxed levels then there'd rarely be need to increase them to some of the more restrictive policies we've seen at times, but people don't so they have to be forced and then loads cry off like they've been hard done by.

Unfortunately not the case, the virus will spread albeit a bit slower but exponential nature of it means you'll always get huge peaks..

 

[AndyWolves]

You've taken part of my post and then made a point without the context.

People don't think it's wrong to not follow the rules so it's not "two wrongs"

Some people may have followed the rules, just because they were the rules - not the case now.

People don't think it's wrong to not follow the rules?

I find that mindset odd

Edit. And then in the next breath to not want any further restrictions. Hint. The more things that are done now which help COVID to spread, the more likely it will be that harsher restrictions will be required.

 

[WolfMan]

People don't think it's wrong to not follow the rules?

I find that mindset odd

I'm talking specifically here about the point people have been making about regardless of the rules at Christmas, they are seeing their family.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

It's not illogical if you and your loved ones have assessed the risks and decided, as we enter the 3rd year of the pandemic, that the risk is worth taking. Alot of these elderly people might not see another Christmas.

The conversation is always about "risk" as if physical safety is the only thing that matters. Animals live massively longer in captivity than the wild but no-one realistically thinks they'd all be better off in the zoo do they.


This is a bit of strange point - lock yourself down so you don't get locked down?



Seeing people is a collaborative effort, everyone seeing each other will be doing it voluntarily and will know the risks.

Unfortunately not the case, the virus will spread albeit a bit slower but exponential nature of it means you'll always get huge peaks..

Your mind's obviously made up so I'm going to waste any more of either of our time.

 

[WsWolf]

I'm talking specifically here about the point people have been making about regardless of the rules at Christmas, they are seeing their family.

Part of the reason they are delaying, bar the fact that cunt Boris is going to be ousted if/when he does. Is that the majority of people would just ignore it anyway so they will delay in the hope that him 'saving' Christmas means people are a bit more persuaded to abide by what he's telling them.

As I said a few days ago, i won't be abiding them but by seeing my family I pose zero risk to anyone else therefore I'm comfortable doing so.

 

[Tony Towner]

As always on this thread I'm clear with what Wolfman doesn't want, just not what he does
Lockdowns X
Vaccine passports X
Penalising those who aren't vaccinated X
Mass death, presumably X
Overrunning of the NHS presumably X

 

[AndyWolves]

Coronavirus's spokesman: "The coronavirus which causes COVID-19 greatly sympathizes with humans who just want to live their lives. Humans have suffered through so much and deserve a break. The virus encourages humans to gather in close physical proximity, because you know what, it's time to just get on with things. This is a good idea and the virus wholeheartedly agrees."

 

[Dire Wolf]

When all the news came out about the ways in which Boris and other Tory Party MPs and members blatantly broke and flouted the rules I, like most people, was extremely angry and my initial response was in the 'fuck em, I'm not going to follow the rules then and see my friends and family whatever' camp. Since then it has become more and more obvious that this variant is spreading much quickly and more widely than we could have known.

My initial feelings have since changed and I think it prudent to be much more cautious and careful than those intent on just ignoring the restrictions. I still have hopes that our family get together on 29th can still go ahead, it's literally the only thing about Xmas my mum has to look forward to, but we are definitely going to be wary of staying clear of others in the run up. And if we can't avoid contact with other people then I for one will be masked to the max.

 

[Tredman]

This is why we will end up in lockdown:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1473221576925532160

 

[WolfMan]

As always on this thread I'm clear with what Wolfman doesn't want, just not what he does
Lockdowns X
Vaccine passports X
Penalising those who aren't vaccinated X
Mass death, presumably X
Overrunning of the NHS presumably X

I'm aware that my limitations in explaining myself probably give that impression.

I basically want us to be like Sweden, would that really be so bad?

 

[WolfMan]

Coronavirus's spokesman: "The coronavirus which causes COVID-19 greatly sympathizes with humans who just want to live their lives. Humans have suffered through so much and deserve a break. The virus encourages humans to gather in close physical proximity, because you know what, it's time to just get on with things. This is a good idea and the virus wholeheartedly agrees."

Yeah very funny mate - I'll have to remember to tell it to my wife's grandmother who's not seen our little boy since he was born due to all this, oh hang on I can't because she died before getting the chance. At least she didn't get covid though

 

[AndyWolves]

Yeah very funny mate - I'll have to remember to tell it to my wife's grandmother who's not seen our little boy since he was born due to all this, oh hang on I can't because she died before getting the chance. At least she didn't get covid though

The amount of excess deaths we've had through this entire process suggest that these kinds of things have been happening far more than they would normally happen, due to COVID.

I understand how difficult it can be at a personal level, my nieces, 12 & 14 lost their dad due to COVID, he was in his 50s. The heartbreak is the same regardless of the cause.

 

[Del Woppio]

Like in everything though, the nuance has gone completely. Anybody that is sceptical of any of the current or imminent guidelines is basically spraying covid in the faces of their nans.

Not believing a lockdown is appropriate makes you some sort of low IQ genocidal maniac.

 

[WolfMan]

The amount of excess deaths we've had through this entire process suggest that these kinds of things have been happening far more than they would normally happen, due to COVID.

I understand how difficult it can be at a personal level, my nieces, 12 & 14 lost their dad due to COVID, he was in his 50s. The heartbreak is the same regardless of the cause.

I'm sorry to hear that.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Like in everything though, the nuance has gone completely. Anybody that is sceptical of any of the current or imminent guidelines is basically spraying covid in the faces of their nans.

Not believing a lockdown is appropriate makes you some sort of low IQ genocidal maniac.

It's not so much being doubtful or sceptical of lockdown or other restrictions. It's people, literally in some cases, saying 'fuck it, I'll do whatever I want'.

There's no nuance in that approach either is there? Sure some of the restrictions may be excessive to certain individuals and they could still be safe by skirting a few of them but that's a much measured approach than saying you're sick of it, let the free for all commence.