Coronavirus

[Del Woppio]

Because you might kill someone you know if you don't?

I know conceptually why, but honestly I'm just fucking done with it all. I'm vaxxed, I sanitise, I mask. Most available evidence suggests that it's very transmissible and very mild. I don't have any contact with any elderly.

Vaccines are the weapon we didn't have before, so lockdowns and restrictions and what not can fuck off now for me.

 

[Hereford Wolf]

I know conceptually why, but honestly I'm just fucking done with it all. I'm vaxxed, I sanitise, I mask. Most available evidence suggests that it's very transmissible and very mild. I don't have any contact with any elderly.

Vaccines are the weapon we didn't have before, so lockdowns and restrictions and what not can fuck off now for me.

Rising number of blood cancer patients dying of Covid in England and Wales

Charities ask for more government help and blame confusion over access to care, shortage of boosters and lack of shielding support

www.theguardian.com

That's me. That's why.

 

[WsWolf]

I know conceptually why, but honestly I'm just fucking done with it all. I'm vaxxed, I sanitise, I mask. Most available evidence suggests that it's very transmissible and very mild. I don't have any contact with any elderly.

Vaccines are the weapon we didn't have before, so lockdowns and restrictions and what not can fuck off now for me.

Think people should do what's right for them. I also don't see anyone who'd be classed as vulnerable, not bothering with the boxing day game and have enough food and ale in that I don't need to leave the house at all bar walking the dog so I'll be doing my usual Christmas and New year with family, regardless of what the 'rules' are. I'm probably not in the minority either.

 

[Del Woppio]

Rising number of blood cancer patients dying of Covid in England and Wales

Charities ask for more government help and blame confusion over access to care, shortage of boosters and lack of shielding support

www.theguardian.com

That's me. That's why.

The charity aren't asking for lockdowns and restrictions though, they're asking for better support for vulnerable groups, which I wholeheartedly support.

 

[Newbridge Wolf]

I had to take the youngest up New Cross earlier today as he needed to see a doctor and the GP practice had to close due to Covid outbreak.

As we were waiting two men walked in both without masks, the one eventually put one on after insistence from staff yet the other was exempt apparently. The man who said he was the others career had brought him in as he'd had a cough for 2 weeks and the cough syrup wasn't working, he hadnt thought to do a PCR or lateral flow test. The bloke sat there coughing his head off in a reception room full of people.

It's a wonder how it spreads so quickly.

 

[WolfMan]

Because you might kill someone you know if you don't?

Didn't realise murder was a side effect

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Didn't realise murder was a side effect

If people want to talk about the government having blood on their hands then individuals need to take personal responsibility it their actions lead to the same outcome.

Just because someone else wants to act like a cunt doesn't make it alright for everyone to act the cunt, a bad example doesn't have to be copied.

 

[Tony Towner]

If people want to talk about the government having blood on their hands then individuals need to take personal responsibility it their actions lead to the same outcome.

Just because someone else wants to act like a cunt doesn't make it alright for everyone to act the cunt, a bad example doesn't have to be copied.

You are correct Mark, but it will be. The reason they are locking down after Xmas is because people aren't really going to be in a position to break the rules. Their gigs/sporting events will be cancelled/be limited to 2k and only the hard-core alcoholics want to sit in a beer garden in January. Most pubs won't even open

 

[Paul]

Rising number of blood cancer patients dying of Covid in England and Wales

Charities ask for more government help and blame confusion over access to care, shortage of boosters and lack of shielding support

www.theguardian.com

That's me. That's why.

My Mom has MDS, I worry about her every day

 

[WolfMan]

If people want to talk about the government having blood on their hands then individuals need to take personal responsibility it their actions lead to the same outcome.

Just because someone else wants to act like a cunt doesn't make it alright for everyone to act the cunt, a bad example doesn't have to be copied.

It's the rhetoric I hate - no wonder we've got a young generation so screwed up with mental health issues when it's being implied they might kill their grandparents, etc.

I honestly think it's a disgusting thing to imply that if someone's loved ones tragically dies from this terrible disease, the one who gave it to them, who'll most likely be their next of kin or children, have killed them. It's the language of division and fear, there's a distinct difference between that and holding a govt to account for their actions.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

It's the rhetoric I hate - no wonder we've got a young generation so screwed up with mental health issues when it's being implied they might kill their grandparents, etc.

I honestly think it's a disgusting thing to imply that if someone's loved ones tragically dies from this terrible disease, the one who gave it to them, who'll most likely be their next of kin or children, have killed them. It's the language of division and fear, there's a distinct difference between that and holding a govt to account for their actions.

It's not an expression I particularly like using but it felt apt to turn it around in this conversation when people have directed it at those in charge fairly recently. If the government need to look at themselves in the mirror and shoulder responsibility for how their actions, or inactions, have jeopardized lives then so must everyone else who's actions have done the same, albeit on a smaller scale in most cases.

As far as I know everyone on here is an adult, generally fairly rational ones, but there's some real backward thinking displayed on here lately. People slating those in lofty positions for breaking rules and endangering people both directly and indirectly in doing so but too many responding by saying fuck you, I'll do exactly the same. What exactly is that achieving? All that's likely to happen is that people they're close to and care for are more likely to be at risk if they just jack in all the precautions and do whatever the fuck they want, exactly the thing they've slated others for.

I get people are pissed off by things that have happened but the logical response is definitely not to copy those actions. Continuing to follow the advice and precautions dished out by those that are far more knowledgeable than I isn't a victory for Johnson and his ilk, it's a victory for all those you come in to contact with and help you protect them by being careful.

 

[AndyWolves]

The more we break restrictions, the more likely it is tougher ones will be needed.

 

[Tredman]

The more we break restrictions, the more likely it is tougher ones will be needed.

We being the operative word.

 

[Del Woppio]

If people want to talk about the government having blood on their hands then individuals need to take personal responsibility it their actions lead to the same outcome.

Just because someone else wants to act like a cunt doesn't make it alright for everyone to act the cunt, a bad example doesn't have to be copied.

Quite the false equivalence you've come up with up there on your high horse!

It's not purely out of militancy, just to be clear - but I'm honest enough with myself to admit it undoubtedly is playing a part.

Though principally my 'done-ness' comes down the the belief that lockdowns and restrictions are simply not viable or fair, in vaccinated society. There will be variants and mutations forever, and there will be years of varying death rates, but there's only so much we can do to mitigate it now.

 

[AndyWolves]

Quite the false equivalence you've come up with up there on your high horse!

It's not purely out of militancy, just to be clear - but I'm honest enough with myself to admit it undoubtedly is playing a part.

Though principally my 'done-ness' comes down the the belief that lockdowns and restrictions are simply not viable or fair, in vaccinated society. There will be variants and mutations forever, and there will be years of varying death rates, but there's only so much we can do to mitigate it now.

Would people more educated in these matters sway your opinion?

 

[Del Woppio]

Would people more educated in these matters sway your opinion?

My opinions are always shaped by listening to people more educated than me tbf. I was 100% behind lockdown one, despite the fact it cost me my job. It was our only defence against a novel pandemic. But it's not anymore. We're not going to achieve zero-covid and zero covid deaths. Ever.

Vaccination, and sensible public policy (masks, sanitising, even covid passports) I'm fully in support of.

Restricting the activities of the general population for a disease that, according to most evidence, is (for the overwhelming majority of people) really mild? Nah. It's too much man. We've lost so much. Too much. It's got to stop.

 

[WsWolf]

The more we break restrictions, the more likely it is tougher ones will be needed.

They stop being effective once a certain amount of people just flat out stop following the restrictions, realistically it's impossible to police anyway. The coppers won't be knocking people's doors to see if there are people who don't live there inside.

 

[AndyWolves]

My opinions are always shaped by listening to people more educated than me tbf. I was 100% behind lockdown one, despite the fact it cost me my job. It was our only defence against a novel pandemic. But it's not anymore. We're not going to achieve zero-covid and zero covid deaths. Ever.

Vaccination, and sensible public policy (masks, sanitising, even covid passports) I'm fully in support of.

Restricting the activities of the general population for a disease that, according to most evidence, is (for the overwhelming majority of people) really mild? Nah. It's too much man. We've lost so much. Too much. It's got to stop.

Let's hope it is mild enough

 

[AndyWolves]

They stop being effective once a certain amount of people just flat out stop following the restrictions, realistically it's impossible to police anyway. The coppers won't be knocking people's doors to see if there are people who don't live there inside.

If they need to be policed then they've already failed

 

[WolfMan]

It's not an expression I particularly like using but it felt apt to turn it around in this conversation when people have directed it at those in charge fairly recently. If the government need to look at themselves in the mirror and shoulder responsibility for how their actions, or inactions, have jeopardized lives then so must everyone else who's actions have done the same, albeit on a smaller scale in most cases.

As far as I know everyone on here is an adult, generally fairly rational ones, but there's some real backward thinking displayed on here lately. People slating those in lofty positions for breaking rules and endangering people both directly and indirectly in doing so but too many responding by saying fuck you, I'll do exactly the same. What exactly is that achieving? All that's likely to happen is that people they're close to and care for are more likely to be at risk if they just jack in all the precautions and do whatever the fuck they want, exactly the thing they've slated others for.

I get people are pissed off by things that have happened but the logical response is definitely not to copy those actions. Continuing to follow the advice and precautions dished out by those that are far more knowledgeable than I isn't a victory for Johnson and his ilk, it's a victory for all those you come in to contact with and help you protect them by being careful.

I think the fundamental point you are missing is that alot of people have reached the point of believing that lockdowns do more harm than good.

Most people want to be law abiding and not break the rules, even if they didn't fully agree. The hypocrisy you've seen from the govt has undermined that, which is the point people are making about if they don't follow the rules, why should I.