Coronavirus

[PuntsWolf]

I will crunch the numbers again just to illustrate the situation.

2.9% mortality rate from recorded cases. Cases is much higher than this (not everyone has had tests, testing wasn’t readily available in the first wave, false negatives etc.)

127,000 people have been recorded as Covid deaths. Excess deaths is around the 20,000 mark. The real figure is somewhere in between.

So taking those two things into account the mortality rate is likely significantly lower than 2.9% (which was in an unvaccinated population).

Now take into account a successful vaccine (people who still get ill with it does not equal death, they will have more protection than this time last year and better treatment), levels of existing immunity in the community, the seasonal nature of the disease, then the response is not in line with the problem (particularly when the response is causing deaths from other causes, as well as the long term economic problems).

I’m not too bothered about a bit more lockdown. I’ve been going into work FT throughout, 5 a side is now back on, my parents are actually going to spend some time with their 11 month old daughter (first grandchild) tommorow which they have been deprived of over the first year of her life, baby classes are back on, my wife may now actually get the medical care she should have had, wolves have been boring anyway.

What I’m not happy about is people trying to suggest there should be restrictions beyond June when there is already very little evidential basis for it even now.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

The ones who will fall off have knee pads and helmets on, the rest are very, very, very unlikely to fall off.

Except not all of them do, do they.

 

[AndyWolves]

Except not all of them do, do they.

They never will, Covid won't disappear.

Edit. Actually, who can't receive the vaccine?

 

[BillyDee]

Actually, who can't receive the vaccine?

Pregnant women and people with some allergies?

 

[AndyWolves]

Pregnant women and people with some allergies?

Pregnant women can under the advice of their GP / consultant

 

[PuntsWolf]

Pregnant women and people with some allergies?

But like most medications for pregnant women, the decision is based on lack of testing not any scientific basis.

As pregnant women are encouraged to take the flu vaccine (as the risk of catching flu is worse to them and foetus than any potential in the vaccine), the likelihood is it will be fine. But there hasn’t exactly been enough time or enough willing mothers willing to take that risk for the benefit of science.

 

[Dennisons Wrong Foot]

A pregnant national tv news anchor over here has had the vaccine. Her doctor said it would be ok, and a small study suggested that antibodies are usually transmitted to the unborn child, especially if the vaccine is taken early in the pregnancy.

 

[Tredman]

Friend of ours got vaccinated while pregnant (but not knowing).

 

[broughtonwolf]

I probably won't read "Failures of State" as it would be far too depressing and likely send me into an angry stupor, but for those that might here is a review of a book written by 2 Sunday Times journalists that focuses on the Government's actions throughout the Coronavirus pandemic.

'Failures of State' by George Arbuthnott and Jonathan Calvert — Faithful Pundit

The first draft of pandemic history is in - and it is utterly damning for the Johnson government.

faithfulpundit.co.uk

Stories of our Times podcast has a series of episodes on the subject/ investigation by the authors. Worth a listen

 

[Freddeno]

a lot of research going on about long term covid..that is the worry for me and losing my taste and smell, hopefully vaccinations speed up now but today they have said in the news sweden wont have everybody vaccinated until midsummer as promised..due to production/delivery problems

 

[AndyWolves]

a lot of research going on about long term covid..that is the worry for me and losing my taste and smell, hopefully vaccinations speed up now but today they have said in the news sweden wont have everybody vaccinated until midsummer as promised..due to production/delivery problems

Once the focus shifts into long Covid and the remedies / cures I'm sure things will get better. Right now everyone is focussed on preventing infection, hospitalisation and death.

 

[SSB]

These small changes make a massive difference to us.

Changes have allowed today for us to do a round robin to see relatives and friends, some we’ve not seen since last July. It’s been great to catch up with people face to face.

 

[Kenny]

Sun going with Vaccine Passports will only be used for mass gatherings, such as gigs, festivals & sporting events.
Going to the pub, restuarants etc will not require one

 

[Pablowolf]

Passport, you say?

I'd better get my hair did.

 

[Paul]

I'm sorted

 

[Tony Towner]

Personally i don't have an issue with passports once everyone has had the oppprtunity to have had the jab. Be interested to see if it was challenged legally if it would hold up beforehand though. Has to be discriminatory based on age.

 

[Kenny]

I think SAGE wanted the passports and Boris was all in until he realised along with Labour & Lib Dems he had 80+ of his own MP's ready to vote it down so he has changed to this plan for a time limited period. I presume the time limit will be until everyone has been offered the jab and those who have it are classed as fully vaccinated. So 14-21 days after the final jab has been done.

 

[PuntsWolf]

By which point the need for a passport will be redundant.

It’s like bringing in devisive and ridiculous measures to prevent drought in Manchester during the winter

 

[Tredman]

By which point the need for a passport will be redundant.

It’s like bringing in devisive and ridiculous measures to prevent drought in Manchester during the winter

Water availability is often a problem in winter.

 

[leedswolf]

A Conservative peer has denied the pandemic exists and blamed Chinese “fake videos” for fears about Covid-19, sparking calls for her to be sacked from her government job. Helena Morrissey, a director at the Foreign Office, suggested the crisis has been exaggerated because people are not “dropping dead in the street”. “The data shows we are NOT in a pandemic,” tweeted the peer, who was sent to the House of Lords by Boris Johnson last year. “If people were dropping dead in the street we would notice & not go to M&S and have all those football matches.”