Coronavirus

[Johnny75]

It's hardly cutting edge to say who won that round. It's like saying Steven Fletcher is better than Frank Nouble.

She is however trivialising the issue and besides which, Johnson isn't even a good showman. Stop this pretence that he's a great speaker. He's an awful speaker.

Many won't have watched PMQ's today and I think it's for them. She had no need to trivialise it but that gets her clicks and like most journalists they're all about the clicks (it's probably in her KPI's).

 

[Papper]

Not excusing Johnson, far from it but care homes went into lockdown from the middle of March (before the UK as a whole) and many deaths occured and continue to occur after the two week incubation period of the virus. This suggests a failure in the care homes and any investigation should be centred on that. Yes, social care is underfunded to the point many sell their homes and are paying £4k a month to cover their care, but surely there would be a plan in these homes to cover these eventualities ie the spread of virus. Prior to this I would have assumed care homes were safe places - far from it. A profit motive and health care does not fit together.

 

[darlowolf64]

Not excusing Johnson, far from it but care homes went into lockdown from the middle of March (before the UK as a whole) and many deaths occured and continue to occur after the two week incubation period of the virus. This suggests a failure in the care homes and any investigation should be centred on that. Yes, social care is underfunded to the point many sell their homes and are paying £4k a month to cover their care, but surely there would be a plan in these homes to cover these eventualities ie the spread of virus. Prior to this I would have assumed care homes were safe places - far from it. A profit motive and health care does not fit together.

On 19th March and again on 2nd April the Government policy was that any patient who was not on a ventilator was to be moved back into their care home from hospital.
It is TOTALLY the governments fault.


"A Government diktat that NHS hospitals should move hundreds of elderly patients to care homes has been branded “reckless” and blamed for the homes’ soaring coronavirus death rates.

In two damning policy documents published on 19 March and 2 April, officials told NHS hospitals to transfer any patients who no longer required hospital level treatment, and set out a blueprint for care homes to accept patients with Covid-19 or who had not even been tested."

 

[Papper]

Many won't have watched PMQ's today and I think it's for them. She had no need to trivialise it but that gets her clicks and like most journalists they're all about the clicks (it's probably in her KPI's).

She works for the BBC and would therefore work within constraints given the level of censorship surrounding the virus. As such she is a reporter and not a journalist. She couldn't uncover a jaffa cake.

 

[Papper]

On 16th March and again on 2nd April the Government policy was that any patient who was not on a ventilator was to be moved back into their care home from hospital.
It is TOTALLY the governments fault

Oh I agree but given the circumstances all efforts should have been taken to competely isolate them from other residents for 14 days. Coupled with correct PPE etc the care home crisis could have been averted.

 

[darlowolf64]

Oh I agree but given the circumstances all efforts should have been taken to competely isolate them from other residents for 14 days. Coupled with correct PPE etc the care home crisis could have been averted.

Have you ever been to an old peoples home?

My mother in law has Alzheimers and has been in a home for about 5 years. She is a master at escaping the room as are many of the other people in the home.
They went into lockdown early but at last (unofficial as they haven't given out the details) count, 8 people have died in there so far.
Staff have been using what little PPE was made available and the staff still have to see multiple residents during a shift.

They opened these Nightingale Hospitals and I am of the opinion that they should have been used to house any Covid confirmed patients.
Yes, I get that you can't move people on ventilators but all new cases should have gone there thus isolating the people away from general hospitals and care homes

 

[Papper]

Have you ever been to an old peoples home?

My mother in law has Alzheimers and has been in a home for about 5 years. She is a master at escaping the room as are many of the other people in the home.
They went into lockdown early but at last (unofficial as they haven't given out the details) count, 8 people have died in there so far.
Staff have been using what little PPE was made available and the staff still have to see multiple residents during a shift.

They opened these Nightingale Hospitals and I am of the opinion that they should have been used to house any Covid confirmed patients.
Yes, I get that you can't move people on ventilators but all new cases should have gone there thus isolating the people away from general hospitals and care homes

Yes I have unfortunately but I would second guess there are equal difficulties in stopping a dementia sufferer escaping their beds in a hospital. I have not got a clue how they would prevent or control this but if they knowingly transferred people with Covid to care homes who were incapable for whatever reason of containing the virus there should be an inquiry. How do care homes react when a ' mobile' resident contracts the virus? How would they isolate these people? You may well be explaining an impossible situation.

 

[Papper]

Tough times ahead it seems. Now Rishi considers the clawback.

Expected deficit this year is minimum £337 Billion which they expect to claw back at £30 Billion a year. Looks like Austerity will return worse than ever although they save £40 Billion by leaving EU who will have equal shit and recession to deal with unfortunately and they could scrap HS2.

Unemployment forecasts look decidedly shitty, future tax receipts will be well down and how they save money while needing to increase welfare is anybody's guess. The corporations will get stronger given the competition will go bust. The service/hospitality industry looks completely fucked, forget cost effective travel abroad. This virus is going nowhere in October so expect lockdown number 2. Was reading through the UN transcript in respect of what they call Agenda21 (in terms of sustainability) so maybe that will be implemented in the near future to mitigate the new normal that will exist. Scary stuff. All because they had and still have no plan or idea to manage a disease that leaves 80% asymptomatic or mild.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Worst defence since Johnson and Bassong.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Oh and I'll happily admit that my own handwriting is appalling these days, but look at the fucking state of that. A 4 year old could do better.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

So on the date that Starmer questioned the advice was exactly what Boris said it wasn’t. I expect a reply back PDQ. And more of these letter exchanges every time Boris lies to the house.

 

[Papper]

Italy.

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-massacre-of-italy-s-elderly-nursing-home-residents-35575

The regional resolution offering150 euros ($163) to nursing homes for accepting Covid-19 patients to ease the burden on hospitals, contributed to the uncontrolled spread of the virus among health workers and elderly guests, turning these institutions into virus hotbeds ..... Until March 23, there were no protocols in place, whatsoever. Health workers reportedly assisted residents without personal protection equipment (PPE), and those with symptoms were not even isolated from others.

 

[Papper]

Call me old fashioned but why didn't they adhere to this and if they did what went wrong? Unless I am mistaken this document if followed would have saved lives.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...perationalguidancefinalamended_05July2012.pdf

 

[Kenny]

Worst defence since Johnson and Bassong.

Why does it say Keir Starmers name under the Boris signature? Do MP's have a different way of signing off letters

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Yeah, it's some weird convention I think. Keir's letter had the same thing but the other way round.

He's blates gone to spell it "Kier" and fudged it as well. Boris, you've got all afternoon and loads of printer ink. Do it again (and put the whisky down).

 

[Tony Towner]

Back in the day you used to put everyones name who the letter was circulated to at the bottom so that people knew who'd received it. Kind of a courtesy thing.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

They fold over under the signature and that then fits into the addressee box on commons envelopes as they don't need a full postal address.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Back in the day you used to put everyones name who the letter was circulated to at the bottom so that people knew who'd received it. Kind of a courtesy thing.

I did that for years, and then the next line would be encs (number) so you knew if you were missing an enclosure and could call me to get a copy of it.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

 

[Rui_CostCo]