Coronavirus

[nimrod]

Bit like bombing Iraq because of WMD's that never existed. Depends who formulates them and for what purpose.

lol what, using statistics is a bit like bombing iraq?

i think what you're attempting to highlight is that any information can be mis-used to support dodgy government policy, which doesn't just apply to statistics.

my point was that use of statistics in government & business is standard and prevalent and that isn't likely to change because a few old women on a football forum like to massively generalise about things.

 

[Rui_CostCo]

Anyone seen Trump's latest tweet?

@realDonaldTrump
Once we OPEN UP OUR GREAT COUNTRY, and it will be sooner rather than later, the horror of the Invisible Enemy, except for those that sadly lost a family member or friend, must be quickly forgotten. Our Economy will BOOM, perhaps like never before!!!

Fucking hell, he somehow manages to annoy me more every single day.

This fucking moron is going to get re-elected too isn't he?

People will die unnecessarily because of that man. Unless he's got something up his sleeve that no one knows about and all indications are thats just tiny hands. His shoulders are starting to shrink to the same size, and will only continue to grow smaller by the day

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Anyone seen Trump's latest tweet?

@realDonaldTrump
Once we OPEN UP OUR GREAT COUNTRY, and it will be sooner rather than later, the horror of the Invisible Enemy, except for those that sadly lost a family member or friend, must be quickly forgotten. Our Economy will BOOM, perhaps like never before!!!

Fucking hell, he somehow manages to annoy me more every single day.

This fucking moron is going to get re-elected too isn't he?

He's getting desperate as his whole raison d'etre is the economy being good. And it is fucking tanking. He will open up to try and claim economic recovery, win in November and then worry about the consequences when he gets four more years.

It's all about Donald Trump. Sociopath is being kind.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

+938 deaths and we're now beyond Ferguson's very odd low-end estimate of 7,000 total deaths. I still have no idea why he maintained the use of obsolete data as late as Sunday just gone, so strange.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

This was Mr Orange's drivel last night, word for word:

Take your pick on your own personal highlights, I'm going with him garbling away in such an incoherent manner that he makes it sound like there are companies called "Ebola" and "AIDS".

 

[Rui_CostCo]

+938 deaths and we're now beyond Ferguson's very odd low-end estimate of 7,000 total deaths. I still have no idea why he maintained the use of obsolete data as late as Sunday just gone, so strange.

I tend to agree with the Mrs (and this won't be very popular,) that a prime concern is avoiding civil unrest and riots

 

[Tredman]

my point was that use of statistics in government & business is standard and prevalent and that isn't likely to change because a few old women on a football forum like to massively generalise about things.

:shakehand:

 

[darlowolf64]

if you close your eyes, Rishi sounds like Blair

 

[Rui_CostCo]

This was Mr Orange's drivel last night, word for word:

Take your pick on your own personal highlights, I'm going with him garbling away in such an incoherent manner that he makes it sound like there are companies called "Ebola" and "AIDS".

We watch Donalds pressers for light relief just before going to bed. We try and guess how long it will be before he loses it in the Q&A, they're broadcast live on the whitehouse youtube channel and archived their too. When he loses it its hillarious. Telling people how nasty their questions are, telling the leading journalist at ABC that he'll never make it, accusing journalists of spreading fake news and occasionally just walking out

 

[Rui_CostCo]

No Whitty at the presser? That's what Donald does with Fauci when things are getting said he will contradict. This woman is fucking awful and sound like she is really NOT comfortable saying this NONE of them are.

I want one of the money trees the chancellors got , mine doesn't spit out cash like his

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I don't know why they keep on chucking out the transport graph every day. Yeah, it's massively declined, we know that (tens of millions of people aren't even going to work, for a start). Doesn't mean anything though.

 

[Rui_CostCo]

I don't know why they keep on chucking out the transport graph every day. Yeah, it's massively declined, we know that (tens of millions of people aren't even going to work, for a start). Doesn't mean anything though.

Because it's the only one going down

 

[Rui_CostCo]

I don't think a bus exists to match the size of the one these 3 have been thrown under

 

[Johnny75]

if you close your eyes, Rishi sounds like Blair

I like him. Starmer and Sunak could be very good across the despatch box.

 

[Rui_CostCo]

'we all depend on each other' I'm sure I've read that somewhere else

 

[Paul]

my point was that use of statistics in government & business is standard and prevalent and that isn't likely to change because a few old women on a football forum like to massively generalise about things.

My issue with statistics in situations like this is here is no responsibility on the publishers should they be wrong. they've published, they've scared the shit out of a lot of people, but if they're wrong (and I truly hope they are) they will just slink off in to the background till the next time someone needs a graph or a pie chart.

 

[Tredman]

My issue with statistics in situations like this is here is no responsibility on the publishers should they be wrong. they've published, they've scared the shit out of a lot of people, but if they're wrong (and I truly hope they are) they will just slink off in to the background till the next time someone needs a graph or a pie chart.

That’s just nonsense from start to finish Mr Gove.

Most of the people modelling a very difficult dataset are doing it from universities. They get paid shit money and if they get it wrong their reputation and future career are done for. They are not doing it for the fun of it, they are doing it to help people and governments prepare for what may come. The margin of error doesn’t come from the model it comes from the data - have a read of precision vs recall if you would like to understand a little more, rather than spouting off uneducated tosh.

Data Science is not just fucking around with a pie chart or a spreadsheet. Most of the people doing it are very specialised, often with phds in advanced physics.

 

[AndyWolves]

as weve already said, the published stats are hard to make patterns from. I previously assumed thered be some consistency but im struggling to find any.

Today, apparently we tested 19.5k new people, I find that hard to believe, I think its much more likely we got a bunch of test results back.

 

[nimrod]

My issue with statistics in situations like this is here is no responsibility on the publishers should they be wrong. they've published, they've scared the shit out of a lot of people, but if they're wrong (and I truly hope they are) they will just slink off in to the background till the next time someone needs a graph or a pie chart.

i hope they're wrong too but that doesn't justify an erroneous scientists v statisticians argument just because you don't like a set of results. the scientists also have a model with assumptions in some of which will no doubt be based on statistical data, so in principle their process should be no different to anyone else's model. the key is determining the data/assumption differences.

and didn't the UK scientists' model allegedly support a herd immunity policy only for them to change that a few days later because it was potentially going to kill 500k of us? if 66k scares the shit out of a lot of people we should be bricking it every time one of the UK scientists starts to speak.

 

[Paul]

That’s just nonsense from start to finish Mr Gove. Wow, just Wow
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