Burnley (H) Wed 1st Dec 7:30pm (Amazon Prime) build up & match thread

[Derby Wolf]

Cardiff at home?

I was thinking City away.

I dont remember him standing out v Cardiff it was the Raul and Jota show offensively and his (Adama's) RCB should have been sent off at the end of the first half for a second booking out wide with Adama nowhere near.

 

[prawnking]

Funny you mention Occam's Razor earlier and then make the leap that Adama is ASKING to play at RB rather than it just being a shit decision from Lage.

It obviously wasn't a good move, but to defend Bruno slightly, he doesn't exactly have a wealth of effective options when trying to change a game from the bench

 

[Del Woppio]

Weirdest thing about Adama vs Norwich is that there were multiple times he received the ball with 5 yards of space in front of him, and refused the invitation to go off on one of his runs. When that's literally the only reason he exists, I found that really peculiar and bloody frustrating, because it was probably the only way we were going to stretch them.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Funny you mention Occam's Razor earlier and then make the leap that Adama is ASKING to play at RB rather than it just being a shit decision from Lage.

I didn't say he was asking to play there, he'd obviously rather play in the front three and do whatever the fuck he wants.

It is a bad decision from Lage, but Hwang is one of our few sources of goals so will always get minutes even if he's not playing well, and we know he doesn't have a lot to pick from. If he'd done nothing and we didn't score he'd get criticised all the same, it's already a regular moan that he uses subs weirdly (or not at all).

As you say Adama started the season well on the left, without any actual end results. But Hwang plays there now, I wouldn't have thought parking him even nominally on the right would look very good. Adama hasn't played particularly well on the right for a long time, last season he just ran at the corner flag when he was there.

Smith referenced our "two number 10s" picking up spaces in the opening 20-25 minutes and he had to change to stop us doing that. With the greatest will in the world, Adama is never going to be able to play that kind of role. Doesn't have the skillset. Trincao and Podence get way more involved in central areas and link play better (admittedly both are prone to a shocker of a performance, which isn't ideal) and Hwang has penalty box presence, which very few of our players other than Raul have (and Adama doesn't).

He's an oblong peg in a square hole, if you like.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Just to tip the nod to those watching at home - if you don't have Prime, you should be able to get a free 30 day trial, literally the first result for "Prime free trial" on Google worked for me, even though I've had a trial before. Just cancel before it ends and job done.

Obviously I'll be at this one (and racking up my superfan points for a later date when I recount that it was about -5 or whatever) but that 30 days from today will cover the Arsenal away game over Christmas and obviously all the other PL games that they have.

 

[PuntsWolf]

As Del says, his one ability is going on his mad runs, like against Villa. He didn’t do that against Norwich and no one knows why. If he isn’t going to do that then he may as well not be on the pitch.

He’s bizarrely stopped running in behind, despite this creating two of his best chances all season against Leicester and Spurs. He had a great opportunity at Norwich and didn’t. Wound me up. He’s literally in on goal if he makes a very basic run and it’s a very simple pass. Instead he’s just standing on the touchline asking for it in to feet, and then doesn’t do anything when he gets it.

Who would I play tomorrow? Fuck knows. Trincao pissed me off Saturday and I don’t trust Traore to do anything even when he’s on form. One dribbles, doesn’t pass or shoot and falls over. The other dribbles and kicks it out play. Traores version is better to watch but at the end of the day they both lead to nothing. Trincaos might lead to something so guess it’s got to be him.

 

[WsWolf]

Trincao didn't have the physical strength to hold onto the ball/win the ball against Norwich, so i doubt he is more likely to manage it against Burnley, who like you say are tough, which was clearly my point.

If Lage does think Traore is "fucking shit" then here's an idea, maybe don't bring him on at all, but certainly if you do, don't play him in 3 different positions in 20 minutes.

We haven't seen him play Trincao or Podence at RB have we? No because that would be considered fucking ridiculous, just as playing Adama there should be, but isn't.

We don't play a back 4 so no right back. Right wing back is essentially what a winger would be in a traditional 442. Adama does suit there as much as he does as an inside forward imo. He's definitely more suited there than the two you mentioned.

There is also the style implemented, it's quite clear we do play higher up at home, Burnley are likely to sit deep which gives no room in behind for Adama to run into like he had against spurs and he doesn't really move off the ball. I'm not sure he's really the right option for the opponent but Trincao hasn't really showed anything but flashes to warrant his place solidly.

 

[Lycan]

Right wing back is essentially what a winger would be in a traditional 442.

I'm sorry but I don't even know what to do with this.

 

[prawnking]

As Del says, his one ability is going on his mad runs, like against Villa. He didn’t do that against Norwich and no one knows why. If he isn’t going to do that then he may as well not be on the pitch.

He’s bizarrely stopped running in behind, despite this creating two of his best chances all season against Leicester and Spurs. He had a great opportunity at Norwich and didn’t. Wound me up. He’s literally in on goal of he makes a very basic run and it’s a very simple pass. Instead he’s just standing on the touchline asking for it in to feet, and then doesn’t do anything when he gets it.

Who would I play tomorrow? Fuck knows. Trincao pissed me off Saturday and I don’t trust Traore to do anything even when he’s on form. One dribbles, doesn’t pass or shoot and falls over. The other dribbles and kicks it out play. Traores version is better to watch but at the end of the day they both lead to nothing. Trincaos might lead to something so guess it’s got to be him.

It's just vague preference isn't it? I'd probably go with Adama based on the physicality aspect, but it's not a hill I'd stub my toe on, let alone die on

 

[Jinky]

Lage on Neto, Jonny and Mosquera coming back.

"Not in December. And I'll put Boly also in that list, he's completely out of our plans."

Wow ok then. Personally, I don’t expect to see Boly in a Wolves shirt again. He’s out until the new year, then he’s off to the ACON, he won’t win his place back this season unless something goes drastically wrong and I suspect we’ll move him on in the summer.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

If he's out for that kind of length of time then Ivory Coast probably won't pick him.

Bit of a stretch to say he's played his last Wolves game!

 

[WsWolf]

I'm sorry but I don't even know what to do with this.

Probably not the best way of describing but it seems people can't grasp the how a 343 works after 6 years and i tried to simplify, admittedly very poorly.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Wow ok then. Personally, I don’t expect to see Boly in a Wolves shirt again. He’s out until the new year, then he’s off to the ACON, he won’t win his place back this season unless something goes drastically wrong and I suspect we’ll move him on in the summer.

Who would sign him if he hadn't played for a year?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Probably not the best way of describing but it seems people can't grasp the how a 343 works after 6 years and i tried to simplify, admittedly very poorly.

Yeah, you're right I have no idea how 343 works.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Our inability to sell out against Burnley proves how wrong Vinny got the pricing and points strategy, regardless of Burnley only selling 1k, £46 for Burnley at home is too much.

 

[WsWolf]

Yeah, you're right I have no idea how 343 works.

Agreed.

 

[Tony Towner]

Perhaps you are a more qualified coach than anyone else on here, but I think you'll struggle to find anyone else who thinks a right winger in a 442 does the same job as a RWB in a 343

 

[WsWolf]

Perhaps you are a more qualified coach than anyone else on here, but I think you'll struggle to find anyone else who thinks a right winger in a 442 does the same job as a RWB in a 343

The same, no but there are similarities on duty and skillset. To take a player from the opposition tonight. Dwight McNeil would be more than comfortable playing as a wingback even though he's generally played exclusively as a winger, the defensive duties are not as high as a fullback.

For the same reason people don't want to see marcal play at lwb because he's a traditional left back and offers nothing going forward.

 

[Tony Towner]

Equally Matt Doherty was a decent wing back in our 343, nobody is signing him to play right wing.

 

[WsWolf]

Equally Matt Doherty was a decent wing back in our 343, nobody is signing him to play right wing.

Because he wasn't, the system was heavily altered to ensure he rarely had to properly defend 1v1 or cross from either deep or the byline as he couldn't do it. No one who played a proper 343 would even entertain someone who lacks the basic skills required for the position.

In that example Adama worked well as he swapped positions with Doherty when we had the ball with the former just hugging the touchline and the latter driving inside. Semedo doesn't do that because it's not natural, he's the one who should be going on the outside and Adama just stands in his space.