Wolves 2-2 Everton: Verdict Thread

[Alan]

We didn’t struggle to break Everton down. We scored twice and should have had a third.

When have we struggled to break teams down? If last season doesn’t count then it doesn’t make any sense at all.

Last season has nought to do with this one.

We created three good chances and scored two. I don't think we can count on that kind of success rate all year. We need to be doing more and we have the players to, they just need to execute.

 

[Boozad]

Last season has nought to do with this one.

We created three good chances and scored two. I don't think we can count on that kind of success rate all year. We need to be doing more and we have the players to, they just need to execute.

We were very ponderous and didn't move it forward anywhere near as quickly as we have done, I agree. But you can't say "we'll struggle to break teams down" of the basis of one match, if that's the case then so will Everton. Let's face it, Everton are not going to be scrubs of the league and will probably finish in the top seven, to create three good chances against them and score two (both were excellent goals) is good going. We'll play much better than that throughout the season and have players to come back who can really change things, I just really think it's a stretch to come to that conclusion based on yesterday.

 

[Johnny75]

Last season has nought to do with this one.

We created three good chances and scored two. I don't think we can count on that kind of success rate all year. We need to be doing more and we have the players to, they just need to execute.

We scored two goals which was your point wasn't it?

Anybody can say we need to create more chances, doesn't require Holmesian powers of deducting is it?

 

[Alan]

We were very ponderous and didn't move it forward anywhere near as quickly as we have done, I agree. But you can't say "we'll struggle to break teams down" of the basis of one match, if that's the case then so will Everton. Let's face it, Everton are not going to be scrubs of the league and will probably finish in the top seven, to create three good chances against them and score two (both were excellent goals) is good going. We'll play much better than that throughout the season and have players to come back who can really change things, I just really think it's a stretch to come to that conclusion based on yesterday.

Well the key was "we need to improve". I don't think we won't. Just that my takeaway from yesterday is that we need to.

I'm not pantwetting, I thought overall we were very impressive and I'm not concerned at all.

 

[Penk Wolf]

Last season has nought to do with this one.

We created three good chances and scored two. I don't think we can count on that kind of success rate all year. We need to be doing more and we have the players to, they just need to execute.

Is that how you spell nowt in America?

 

[Del Woppio]

Saying we struggled to create chances yesterday doesn't mean we'll struggle all year. I think everybody that's voiced concerns on that performance has also said they believe having cav/Traore available, and nuno seeing yesterday, will result in improvement

 

[The Bear]

Fucking hell would people stop jumping all over Alan for nothing. What he said was right, we did struggle to create from open play, even though we scored a decent goal.

 

[Johnny75]

Fucking hell would people stop jumping all over Alan for nothing. What he said was right, we did struggle to create from open play, even though we scored a decent goal.

So a team that scored 2 is going to struggle to continue scoring?

You do realise how stupid that reads?

 

[Boozad]

Fucking hell would people stop jumping all over Alan for nothing. What he said was right, we did struggle to create from open play, even though we scored a decent goal.

Who the fuck is jumping all over him? I don't agree with what he said and I'm debating it with him. Did you miss the "We were very ponderous and didn't move it forward anywhere near as quickly as we have done, I agree" part? How the fuck is that jumping all over him?

 

[The Bear]

I'm not having a go at you particularly Booz, but people are constantly arguing the semantics of every thing he posts lately purely because they take his opinion as rubbish.

 

[The Bear]

So a team that scored 2 is going to struggle to continue scoring?

You do realise how stupid that reads?

And he already clarified that he should have said breaking teams down, which is fair enough. But still people won't let it go.

 

[Dinowolf]

I hope Jota's OK after that tackle by Jagielka. His ankle bent double under the impact of his studs. It looked horrible in slow motion.
Jota is one tough cookie to carry on playing but that was a nasty collision and may affect him for the next few days.

 

[Boozad]

I'm not having a go at you particularly Booz, but people are constantly arguing the semantics of every thing he posts lately purely because they take his opinion as rubbish.

To be fair I took it up with Del as well and we all know he talks utter bollocks.

 

[Dolph06]

We played against ten men for the majority of the match and they were still the better team, in my opinion. If you don't consider the fact we were playing against ten men when drawing your conclusions from that game then you really are in denial. Yes, Everton are an extremely strong team and going down to ten men doesn't mean you are going to automatically lose but we did not play like we had an extra man and Everton still looked the more capable and dangerous team.

Alan has a very valid point and to call him out on it is kind of strange. He's not saying we are going to struggle. On yesterdays evidence, against less players for most of the match I would say we were lucky to get a point. That doesn't mean we are going to struggle, it means we need to adapt.

 

[Johnny75]

And he already clarified that he should have said breaking teams down, which is fair enough. But still people won't let it go.

So just me then Bear?

Alan's opinion was bollocks, he got challenged and completely changed his story to 'breaking teams down' and then creating more chances. It's not even the same thing to say 'struggle to score and 'break teams down'. Not semantics it's a completely different thing given we scored 2 goals.

If we only scored two goals having got 20 on target then people would be complaining we need to be more clinical. I think the defensive side of the game needs improving rather than looking at not scoring more goals.

I thought a forum was about challenging each other's opinions.

 

[Boozad]

We played against ten men for the majority of the match and they were still the better team, in my opinion. If you don't consider the fact we were playing against ten men when drawing your conclusions from that game then you really are in denial. Yes, Everton are an extremely strong team and going down to ten men doesn't mean you are going to automatically lose but we did not play like we had an extra man and Everton still looked the more capable and dangerous team.

Alan has a very valid point and to call him out on it is kind of strange. He's not saying we are going to struggle. On yesterdays evidence, against less players for most of the match I would say we were lucky to get a point. That doesn't mean we are going to struggle, it means we need to adapt.

We looked better against 11 than 10, and it's worth pointing out how much pressure we put on Pickford, he was as shaky as fuck in the first half. We definitely weren't lucky to get a point.

 

[Dolph06]

We were shaky as fuck too, Boly in particular. They also brought a fantastic save out of Rui early on who wasn't quite as shaky. It's early in the season, it's too early to use the performance as a barometer for the rest of the season but we did not look good going forwards yesterday and I do say that despite scoring two goals.

 

[Boozad]

WIt's early in the season, it's too early to use the performance as a barometer for the rest of the season

Which is exactly what I've been saying for the past two hours or so yet you just said I was 'in denial' and to call out the opposite was 'strange'.

 

[Alan]

So just me then Bear?

Alan's opinion was bollocks, he got challenged and completely changed his story to 'breaking teams down' and then creating more chances. It's not even the same thing to say 'struggle to score and 'break teams down'. Not semantics it's a completely different thing given we scored 2 goals.

If we only scored two goals having got 20 on target then people would be complaining we need to be more clinical. I think the defensive side of the game needs improving rather than looking at not scoring more goals.

I thought a forum was about challenging each other's opinions.

If you struggle to break teams down you will struggle to score. Doesn't require Holmesian powers of deduction, does it?

Personally I would use the terms "breaking teams down" and "creating more chances" interchangeably.

 

[Alan]

Who the $#@! is jumping all over him? I don't agree with what he said and I'm debating it with him. Did you miss the "We were very ponderous and didn't move it forward anywhere near as quickly as we have done, I agree" part? How the $#@! is that jumping all over him?

Tbf I haven't had any issue with anything you've directed at me, Booz. I think we were in "violent agreement" (I think that's the right phrase).