Wolves 2-1 Newcastle: Verdict Thread

[Lupo]

One thing i noticed on Saturday that may be something or nothing. Donk immediately went down the tunnel at FT, whilst everyone else stayed out to applaud the fans.

I think he can feel a little hard done by to have been dropped after his performance against Southampton, so that may have been a reflection of that, it may have been that he always does that and i've never noticed.

Bruno didn't hag around much either considering it was his first win at Molineux. Wasn't expecting a Nuno tribute act but did miss the old saluting of the South Bank!

 

[Jinky]

What stuff is ridiculously OTT to you?

Well calling him a "dickhead" - or insinuating that what he did isn't part of the game, for a start. Then all the guff about him only having good stats because we play "three centre backs who don't cross the half way line", despite Rui being protected by that exact same back three and possibly even more defensive set up for years.

Just say "I didn't agree with Patricio being flogged so Sa is on a hiding to nothing" and be done with it.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

He is a dickhead, he's already cost us a goal by cheating (badly), and every single game he dicks around with the ball for no reason, it will cost us at some point. Did it again on Saturday in the second half. Not related to being a dickhead but he's also let in a very soft goal in a game we dominated and lost 1-0. I'm not quite getting the rave reviews right now, unless we're still lauding him for saves that didn't even matter vs Southampton because the game was effectively already stopped.

I don't see why you needed to pick at me, just say you like José Sa and his distinctly average skillz if you really want to.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Keepers don't usually pretend they are injured when the ball is in play, thus leaving their goal totally free to be shot at, I'm not sure where this idea that they do has come from?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Outfield players obviously do it, often. See Raul trying to win a free kick up near their corner flag with a few minutes to go. But there was no risk of us conceding a goal from his actions there.

But when do keepers pretend they are hurt unless the ball is already dead, or more usually has gone in the net and they are trying to suggest they were impeded?

 

[Jinky]

Keepers don't usually pretend they are injured when the ball is in play, thus leaving their goal totally free to be shot at, I'm not sure where this idea that they do has come from?

Novel idea, but he *might* have actually been hurt, in that case?

As I said right at the start, the biggest criticism to be leveled at him is he should have stayed down. That and thinking there was a competent official in charge who'd blow the whistle.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Tbh as much as I didn’t blame him at the time and didn’t put it in the Verdict for fear of “it’s not the 1980s” comments. I do think as a keeper (or a defender) you can’t just go down in the middle of the box with the ball in play unless you are genuinely hurt and CANNOT play.

Seem to remember Ederson getting absolutely clattered a few weeks ago (might have been longer), but he made some effort to get back up even though he could barely move to make some kind of save or at least be a deterrent.

I’d be pretty fuming if my CB lay on the floor “injured” then an opposition player scored, As a result. Again, pretty sure this has happened recently and the opposition scored in a scramble where the guy was just lying there and if he’d have just been standing stationary it wouldn’t have happened.

I think he’s unfortunate the ref didn’t blow, but at the same time as a keeper you’ve sometimes just got to get up regardless. However Neves just needs to get rid of it. Every we week we play on with our player down and get countered when we lose it or waste promising attacks because one of our only 3 attacking players in injured. Need to just cut out the shit tbh

 

[Mel Evo]

Putting relative merits of keepers aside, one thing I'd abstract from the discussion is the idea that keepers often hit the deck and that this is a 50:50 option for Sa in this instance. I'd be pretty worried if my keeper started doing this as a matter of course, 'leaving it to the ref and the VAR team' to maybe help out. While I don't watch much English football outside of Wolves I do watch a lot of Spanish football. Players are hitting the deck left right and centre to get the ball kicked out of play in La Liga (Granada last night were a joke for example), but I can't remember many keepers doing it. not when the ball is in play and a threat is live. Presumably that's as they're worried some average clogger might just roll the ball in the net. It's the one position where the first reaction is always to get up and get back in position even if you are knackered. When it comes to keepers, it's definitely not a tickling contest.

Sa did make an excellent save in the second half though, and it looks like he's brave in those situations.

Oh, just seen EP has posted this in much more concise fashion!!

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Novel idea, but he *might* have actually been hurt, in that case?

As I said right at the start, the biggest criticism to be leveled at him is he should have stayed down. That and thinking there was a competent official in charge who'd blow the whistle.

He wasn't hurt though was he, he got up and ran back to goal.

If he WAS hurt, he'd have stayed down.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

The ref got it absolutely right, it wasn't a foul, and Sa wasn't injured "enough" for the game to stop, as proven by his mad dash back to goal.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Hendrick actually took it well. Nice that it was him to have his one good moment for the season rather than it being Jacob fucking Murphy or Nathan bloody Redmond the week before. Another one to add to the list.

 

[Mel Evo]

That goal was a real optical illusion for me. Looked like he passed it simply into the net from my angle, it was only when I saw the highlights later that I realised how hard he'd hit it. To be honest I don't get a great view of much apart from the bench, and not enough was happening there for my liking - delighted as I was with the result and, crucially, the annoyance it will have hopefully caused Robson Green.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Hendrick actually took it well. Nice that it was him to have his one good moment for the season rather than it being Jacob fucking Murphy or Nathan bloody Redmond the week before. Another one to add to the list.

The reaction to it being him that scored on the Newcastle match thread is funny, "oh fuck, that's him in the team for the next 5 games then". "Bruce is proper going to milk this.."

It's a dark, dark place on there..

 

[Lupo]

Frustrating though with a complete arsehole of a referee who had his whistle ready in his mouth before each time a Newcastle player hit the deck, he was diabolical

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The reaction to it being him that scored on the Newcastle match thread is funny, "oh fuck, that's him in the team for the next 5 games then".

The exact same feeling I had whenever Edwards scored. You knew the 20 match non-scoring run was round the corner...

 

[SSB]

Pissing about with it on the edge of the box whilst your keepers prolapsed on the floor is the real crime here.

I don't blame Sa, feigning injury is part of the modern game and everyone does it (as frustrating as it is) keepers are usually protected, especially if they haven't moved off the floor after contact.

Don't blame Sa at all. I can't remember any similar incidents in recent times where the referee hasn't blown the whistle and stopped the game.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The Newcastle forums are a strange place utterly devoid of hope. Now it looks like they aren’t going to be allowed to be the Saudi sportswash and they are stuck with the current regime they seem to just hate everything. Somber doesn’t cover it. It’s looks like the have gone beyond even gallows humour.

 

[Dinowolf]

Totally agree that it looks terrible and is against everything 'we've' always known, but he was actually correct.

Blame the law meddlers who changed it about five years ago. He was offside in their half when the ball was played forward but only became active and conceeded the free kick when he came towards the ball some yards into our half. Stupid law says the offence is when he's active not where he was when the ball was played.
Ironically when giving offsides going towards goal, they draw the lines and give free kicks where the striker was when the ball was played, not where he became 'active'.

He did have a poor game though and joins the list of refs that guess and give decisions based on what they think has happened rather than what has actually happened. I know the games quick now but so often they fall for obvious gamesmanship and don't ever use their useless linesman to help out on free kicks under their noses. This is normally their directive.

Sorry mate, but the ref got it wrong. I'll tell you why.

I understand about becoming active and offside being given at that point which is fine, unless a player goes into his own half to play the ball.
YOU CANNOT BE OFFSIDE IN YOUR OWN HALF, so if he goes into his own half to play the ball, he should not be given offside at that point.
That's why the VAR system draws lines from the half-way line and not into your own half.

Being in an offside position does not mean you are offside so if you return to an onside position during play e.g. another phase, then you are fine and play continues. This also applies to you returning to your own half.

Just suppose the ball was skied and had gone into our penalty area and Jiminez had dashed back and got the first touch, if you apply what ref. Scott gave, would he still have given off-side??

 

[Alan]

The Newcastle forums are a strange place utterly devoid of hope. Now it looks like they aren’t going to be allowed to be the Saudi sportswash and they are stuck with the current regime they seem to just hate everything. Somber doesn’t cover it. It’s looks like the have gone beyond even gallows humour.

Hard to blame them, honestly. A shit manager and a shit owner, both of whom are happy to keep the other as they both realize how shite they are and can use each other as deflection bait. Like watching an imminently repairable boat continue to take on water whilst the captain and first mate are busy arguing over whose fault it is.

 

[North Shropshire Lad]

You'd better let the FA know then, as they believe the law changed in 2016

Law 11 - Offside

IFAB Laws of the Game

www.thefa.com

IFAB Laws of the Game 2021-22

If an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free kick where the offence occurred, including if it is in the player’s own half of the field of play.