Wolves 2 - 0 Aston Villa: May we never take this nosebleed for granted.

[Peter_Knowles_Ghost]

One other thing from the Villa match - seeing Doherty cut inside Hutton on the right and then pass thirty yards to Jota on the left wing with the outside of his boot ... this is the magic of Nuno, how he has transformed the Doherty of 2014/5/6 to the Doherty 2017 version.

 

[b3h]

Still shite

 

[machin05]

He was brilliant on Saturday.

 

[Jinky]

Still shite

He's really not, but ok.

 

[darlowolf64]

I think that "still shite" was firmly written with tongue in cheek, he has improved as a player under Nuno

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Not that much has changed really, he had good games before, he had a lot of shite games as well. He's been placed into a role where he has to do very little defending so most of the time his more glaring weaknesses (that he has no interest on working on) aren't shown up. Even so he's still had at least three appalling displays this season.

He was good on Saturday though.

 

[machin05]

He seems like a player who needs constant encouragement/kick up the arse. His poor performances come in batches and he starts to slump around the pitch. Then Nuno has a word and he'll play well again for a few games.

 

[b3h]

Partially tongue in cheek. Partially I think he's shite though. I tried to put it into words after the Burton game but it just looks crap, can't explain myself very well. Basically I think most of what he does is for show. Pointless runs to move the defender etc are all well and good but so much of what he does is never going anywhere, he's never getting involved, I feel it's on purpose, he hides away and isn't interested. He ran at the keeper that game or the one before after a loose ball and jumped over him, then trotted back like oooo look I've done my job, now I get to walk back to my spot, you guys cover. Just one example that annoyed me.

Any way that said he has improved under Nuno and looks like he will do OK until we get a better RWB. Which can't be that hard, surely.

Done a lot of moaning at Edwards/Batth/Doherty/Coady and Doherty is the only one I'm still fed up of and want gone.

 

[Peter_Knowles_Ghost]

Still shite

Oh, I still would replace him at the drop of a hat if we could find someone suitable ...

 

[Johnny75]

He seems like a player who needs constant encouragement/kick up the arse. His poor performances come in batches and he starts to slump around the pitch. Then Nuno has a word and he'll play well again for a few games.

I think you're right. There is talent there but I think he's just thick and can't take that step up to thinking about things on the pitch. The cliche is that the first yard is in the players head and Doherty just doesn't have that unless he's told.

That must be exhausting for a manager to constantly have to do. He's done well under Nuno's tutelage but I think this is his limit as a player and we do and will find better either in January or next summer.

 

[Quirkafleeg]

Oh, I still would replace him at the drop of a hat if we could find someone suitable ...

Nuno has stated he doesnt reat on his laurels so to speak. And he's proven he likes two players to at least certain positions(LWB, RWB, LW, RW etc etc) so if Big Phil isnt anywhre near fitness come January then a RWB will be brought in.

 

[Jinky]

Just out of interest, out of all the other Right Backs, or Right Wing Backs in the Championship this season, who would people take above Doherty?

I can think of Cyrus Christie, but that's about it.

 

[sycophantia]

Wonder if Nuno could turn Iorfa into the player we all thought he was gunna be a few years ago?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Hard to compare because not many teams play wingbacks, certainly not in the way we do. But there are tons better than Doherty. Christie, Ayling, Pinto, Odoi, Hunt, Lichaj, Wisdom...they're all comfortably better than him and so is Iorfa if he ever gets his head right.

Let's not have revisionism about Matt Doherty please, it isn't even a month since he turned in back-to-back dirtbag performances against Barnsley and Sheff Utd.

 

[Langers]

Just out of interest, out of all the other Right Backs, or Right Wing Backs in the Championship this season, who would people take above Doherty?

I can think of Cyrus Christie, but that's about it.

I said it on the thread, but there's no way Doherty should have made the Worst Wolves XI. I really don't think he's anywhere near as bad as others do but each to their own. He's limited but has some qualities and isn't letting the side down this season - he deserves his place. And I know he's been awful in the past, but there are different stages of awful. There have been worse.

Had a great week at work this week wearing my Wolves tie. There are few perks to working in Aston but this has certainly been one of them...!

 

[b3h]

No idea myself Jinky. Doesn't necessarily have to be a RB/RWB though? Moses has done alright for Chelsea with a solid RCB and RCM behind him. Maybe someone can learn a few things and then out-do Doherty ha.

 

[Jinky]

Hard to compare because not many teams play wingbacks, certainly not in the way we do. But there are tons better than Doherty. Christie, Ayling, Pinto, Odoi, Hunt, Lichaj, Wisdom...they're all comfortably better than him and so is Iorfa if he ever gets his head right.

Let's not have revisionism about Matt Doherty please, it isn't even a month since he turned in back-to-back dirtbag performances against Barnsley and Sheff Utd.

See this is where personal opinion comes in to it. I'd have Doherty over at least 4 of the 6 players you've names above.

IF we go up, we can do better, but he gets a silly amount of critisism. Someone was calling him out in the matchday thread on Saturday and he was in the middle of playing his best game of the season FFS!

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I said it on the thread, but there's no way Doherty should have made the Worst Wolves XI. I really don't think he's anywhere near as bad as others do but each to their own. He's limited but has some qualities and isn't letting the side down this season - he deserves his place. And I know he's been awful in the past, but there are different stages of awful. There have been worse.

I didn't vote for him

That was a team set up with a flat back four using an orthodox right back. In that position he's as bad as it gets as he doesn't try, doesn't chase back, can't mark, can't tackle, can't deal with anyone running at him, can't stop a cross, can't clear a ball properly and can't defend the back post.

He basically doesn't have to do very much of that in his current role.

As I say he was good on Saturday, just as he was good against Bristol City. But then I could pick out two good games he had last season. He still doesn't have the levels of consistency that we want and he still doesn't have good enough quality in the final third (compare him to Douglas and Vinagre on the other side).

Does he deserve his place, yes when he's playing like he did at the weekend, but we don't have anyone to replace him anyway so it would scarcely matter if he were turning in 3/10 performances regularly (being generous you might give him that mark vs Barnsley and given he had to defend against Sheff Utd when we moved to four at the back...you can guess how that went), he wouldn't get dropped because we can't drop him.

 

[Sniffer]

I said it on the thread, but there's no way Doherty should have made the Worst Wolves XI. I really don't think he's anywhere near as bad as others do but each to their own. He's limited but has some qualities and isn't letting the side down this season - he deserves his place. And I know he's been awful in the past, but there are different stages of awful. There have been worse.

Had a great week at work this week wearing my Wolves tie. There are few perks to working in Aston but this has certainly been one of them...!

There's a debate to be had. What pick was worst one? Doherty as the worst full back or Thompson as the best?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

There's a debate to be had. What pick was worst one? Doherty as the worst full back or Thompson as the best?

Cameron in central midfield.