Wolves 1 Man United 1: “another Neves-esque classic goal” The Verdict thread

[Boozad]

I expect Neves to be more than a 6 out of 10 player. That's what he's become far too often for me. Especially if we're bandying around valuations like 50m.

Have you actually watched him in every single game since we got promoted? 6/10 player, laughable.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Not going to comment much on the game much as it's been said already - though MU were better than last season & we weren't quite on it as regards passing or control so 'maybe' a little lucky to get away with the draw though Reuban's goal was worth coming for on it's own.

Main comment is re VAR - it's the way we are going to go though still needs refinment to the way it's applied. The attacking handball rule is stupid, but thats the rules not VAR causing that - don't want them changing it for the rest of the season now just because Man City have fallen foul of it - needs to stay there & reconsider after the season ends.

Biggest problem for me is that there is absolutely no communication in the ground as to what is going on - after celebrating Neves goal turned back to see the Ref talking to a number of MU players in their half of the field & all the video screens showed was that there was a VAR check - none of us had any idea exactly what for really even after the goal was still allowed. Is an issue that they will need to find a solution to as even if you disagree with the decision at least you know what they are checking for.

 

[Del Woppio]

Yeah that definitely needs sorting. On the TV it showed the process, lines being drawn etc, and there's no reason that can't be on the big screens so that the fans know what's being checked at least.

 

[HanDoJin]

The VAR breaks would be a load easier if the offside laws were updated. Have a quick look on the slowed-down video, and if you need to break out a fucking digital ruler to tell...then it's onside. Clear and obvious clangers only, not when a guy is offside by the width of a piece of paper

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[Parkins left foot]

Yeah that definitely needs sorting. On the TV it showed the process, lines being drawn etc, and there's no reason that can't be on the big screens so that the fans know what's being checked at least.

That was the big problem for me - when the goal went in we were all celebrating & not looking at the pitch so had no idea it was being questioned, then when we did had no idea what they were checking - at least in Rugby the ref is mic'd up so you know what he is asking them to check for (was that a legal grounding of the ball, was there a knock on in the build up to that try etc) - we just had a load of bemused looks on our face & no clearer when they confirmed the goal.

I think I've worked it out now having seen the highlights, but in the moment I'm not going to remember exactly where every other player was at that point.

 

[StuardoWulf]

Main comment is re VAR - it's the way we are going to go though still needs refinment to the way it's applied. The attacking handball rule is stupid, but thats the rules not VAR causing that - don't want them changing it for the rest of the season now just because Man City have fallen foul of it - needs to stay there & reconsider after the season ends.

With apologies for cutting your post,

I hear this a lot, but it is VAR because the guidance on the hand balls is purely to come to the correct unarguable decision using VAR.
They have made a stupid law so they can call it right. It's a dereliction of duty really and an insult to the game.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

So easy to just put up "Checking goal - possible offside against #28 Moutinho".

No-one had a clue what they were looking at, why would you when Mr 6/10 has spanked it in off the bar from 25 yards.

 

[StuardoWulf]

So easy to just put up "Checking goal - possible offside against #28 Moutinho".

No-one had a clue what they were looking at, why would you when Mr 6/10 has spanked it in off the bar from 25 yards.

Wouldn't it be checked for handball anyway (in the scoring phase, basically every goal will be checked).
All technologies evolve and get better but not with the refs club in charge.

 

[Parkins left foot]

So easy to just put up "Checking goal - possible offside against #28 Moutinho".

No-one had a clue what they were looking at, why would you when Mr 6/10 has spanked it in off the bar from 25 yards.

That's really all they need to do - showing all of us the slo mo video feed would probably cause as many issues as it solves.

They put up VAR check on the video screens - it shouldn't beyond technological abilities of clubs to show what you have suggested - at least we would know why they have stopped everything.

 

[Johnny75]

The VAR breaks would be a load easier if the offside laws were updated. Have a quick look on the slowed-down video, and if you need to break out a fucking digital ruler to tell...then it's onside. Clear and obvious clangers only, not when a guy is offside by the width of a piece of paper

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I agree the law needs updating but more to do with body parts rather than distance.

Make it about the body part that touches the ball.

If it's a header then the head, if it's a tap in with the foot then the foot. It isn't hard to do and would eliminate the nonsense about a shoulder being in front of another mans shoulder (unless they score with said shoulder) as some players are just bigger than others and so will automatically be offside even if the centre of their body's are exactly in line.

Then if that body part needs the digital ruler then you can rule it absolutely. This stuff isn't difficult. The same with the hand ball law - did the ball hitting the hand prevent (defender) or present (attacker) a goal scoring opportunity. Ball tracking can be accurate so that can be done easily and more importantly all of the above can be done in seconds.

And tell the fucking fans in the stadium like they do in every other sport on the fucking planet. Why the PGMOL is fucking this up I have no idea.

We have utter morons as arbiters of the laws at the moment and it might be time for the PL and FA to bin the PGMOL in favour of a body which is vaguely competent and not run by utter twats.

 

[Boozad]

I hear this a lot, but it is VAR because the guidance on the hand balls is purely to come to the correct unarguable decision using VAR.
They have made a stupid law so they can call it right. It's a dereliction of duty really and an insult to the game.

Correct. If VAR hadn't been introduced then the new handball rule would never have been invented. By whichever fuckwit dreamed it up.

 

[Johnny75]

That avatar :icon_lol:

 

[BGreenWolf]

Neves has had a fundamentally different role in the Prem than he did in the Championship.

He doesn't grab games by the scruff of the neck like he did in his old role, but he's beyond accomplished in what he does most games, and the idea that he's a 6/10 player on more than a very occasional basis is little short of laughable.

Also, 50 million is nothing in today's market- players get sold for more than that who aren't fit to lace Ruben's boots. That's Fred money, for god's sake.

 

[Stan Hullis]

6/10 = 1 less than Super Dave each week

 

[Dennisons Wrong Foot]

Dendoncker's goal against Leicester, and Jesus' goal against Spurs would both have stood in the Championship or any other league where VAR is not used. Nobody saw anything wrong with them in real time. The law has been changed because of VAR, but if it is not available in the vast majority of football games played, surely that is an argument for why the law is wrong. Otherwise could we end up with different laws applying dependent on whether VAR is being used?

 

[Johnny75]

Dendoncker's goal against Leicester, and Jesus' goal against Spurs would both have stood in the Championship or any other league where VAR is not used. Nobody saw anything wrong with them in real time. The law has been changed because of VAR, but if it is not available in the vast majority of football games played, surely that is an argument for why the law is wrong. Otherwise could we end up with different laws applying dependent on whether VAR is being used?

We already do have different laws at different levels of the game (rolling subs, sin bins) so this is no different.

 

[Alan]

If you guys want to give Ruben that long of a leash, that's your business. But I stand by what I said. I expect more given his talent and reputation.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I agree the law needs updating but more to do with body parts rather than distance.

Make it about the body part that touches the ball.

If it's a header then the head, if it's a tap in with the foot then the foot. It isn't hard to do and would eliminate the nonsense about a shoulder being in front of another mans shoulder (unless they score with said shoulder) as some players are just bigger than others and so will automatically be offside even if the centre of their body's are exactly in line.

Then if that body part needs the digital ruler then you can rule it absolutely. This stuff isn't difficult. The same with the hand ball law - did the ball hitting the hand prevent (defender) or present (attacker) a goal scoring opportunity. Ball tracking can be accurate so that can be done easily and more importantly all of the above can be done in seconds.

And tell the fucking fans in the stadium like they do in every other sport on the fucking planet. Why the PGMOL is fucking this up I have no idea.

We have utter morons as arbiters of the laws at the moment and it might be time for the PL and FA to bin the PGMOL in favour of a body which is vaguely competent and not run by utter twats.

Where would you judge the defensive line to be in your take on the offside rule?

 

[BGreenWolf]

If you guys want to give Ruben that long of a leash, that's your business. But I stand by what I said. I expect more given his talent and reputation.

I don't think we're giving him a long leash, I think we're assessing the realities of the role he's actually currently playing.

 

[Boozad]

If you guys want to give Ruben that long of a leash, that's your business. But I stand by what I said. I expect more given his talent and reputation.

What do you expect?