Wolves 1-4 Brighton: Verdict Thread

[jd1981]

At this point in time I dont think its realistic to expect people to recognise and acknowledge past performances. Fans, especially those who were there yesterday, are going to react to the here and now. But yes, we have had games where we have looked absolute wank every season. Heck, I can remember even under Nuno in a good season, bad games. We looked absolutely clueless against a Huddersfield side that got relegated. Maybe a different kind of clueless, but still clueless.

When you pick them out it shows they were few and far between. They’re a regular thing now.

 

[Tony Towner]

We don't take care of the ball well enough to empty midfield. A better side in terms of finishing and ball retention would have beaten Brighton yesterday, in that respect the tactics were correct. The error was in not recognising that we don't have the players to do it

 

[PuntsWolf]

We don't take care of the ball well enough to empty midfield. A better side in terms of finishing and ball retention would have beaten Brighton yesterday, in that respect the tactics were correct. The error was in not recognising that we don't have the players to do it

So what would you have done instead?

 

[jd1981]

I don’t see who’s writing off any fixtures. We know there’s always teams better than us but there shouldn’t be any acceptance that they will just beat us but you can still recognise that sometimes they were just better.

Brighton are better than us at the moment there’s no denying that but even with that we we were well in the game at half time and should have been level. We capitulated in the 10 minutes after half time and that’s unacceptable and can’t happen again this season but as i said to Andy earlier we’ve had games like that every season in this league where we’ve conceded a goal and then bang we concede another.

Before games people probably don’t but it’s the “there’s nothing we could’ve done” attitude after the event that I find annoying.

 

[Dire Wolf]

Any simpleton can task their team with being 'ambitious' and pouring forward without properly considering what happens at the other end

Are you saying O'Neil is a simpleton?

 

[Dire Wolf]

When you pick them out it shows they were few and far between. They’re a regular thing now.

Quite regular under the manager everyone here wanted to keep, yes.

 

[slink]

At this point in time I dont think its realistic to expect people to recognise and acknowledge past performances. Fans, especially those who were there yesterday, are going to react to the here and now. But yes, we have had games where we have looked absolute wank every season. Heck, I can remember even under Nuno in a good season, bad games. We looked absolutely clueless against a Huddersfield side that got relegated. Maybe a different kind of clueless, but still clueless.

Why’s it not realistic? I understand emotion, i was fucking fuming at the goals conceded yesterday but I don’t see why we can’t look at the rest of the game and there were still positives and they rightfully need to be looked at too.

I was at the game yesterday and will be there at Everton and Palace so i don’t think being at the game makes much difference really. As i say i was fuming with the goals conceded yesterday and some of the player’s performances, i still am now but it does seem that any positives are just being discarded or not even recognised by some. We’ve got some serious issues in the squad, we all know that and there’s gonna be good and bad this season because of that. We could really do with getting in-front next week to settle us down so we need someone to step up get their finishing boots on.

 

[Tony Towner]

At this point in time I dont think its realistic to expect people to recognise and acknowledge past performances. Fans, especially those who were there yesterday, are going to react to the here and now. But yes, we have had games where we have looked absolute wank every season. Heck, I can remember even under Nuno in a good season, bad games. We looked absolutely clueless against a Huddersfield side that got relegated. Maybe a different kind of clueless, but still clueless.

The difference under Nuno and tbf Lage was we rarely got belted even when we were poor. Obviously frustrating in a different way, often turgid, but this calendar year we've taken more hammerings which is going to result in more anger

 

[jd1981]

Quite regular under the manager everyone here wanted to keep, yes.

That’s equal indication that the playing staff are below standard.
My gripe is with Fosun not GON yet, investment in players that have done nothing for the club and holding back with investment when it’s blatantly needed to avoid possible relegation.

 

[prawnking]

Are you saying O'Neil is a simpleton?

If I wanted to say that I'd have just said that

 

[Dire Wolf]

Why’s it not realistic? I understand emotion, i was fucking fuming at the goals conceded yesterday but I don’t see why we can’t look at the rest of the game and there were still positives and they rightfully need to be looked at too.

I was at the game yesterday and will be there at Everton and Palace so i don’t think being at the game makes much difference really. As i say i was fuming with the goals conceded yesterday and some of the player’s performances, i still am now but it does seem that any positives are just being discarded or not even recognised by some. We’ve got some serious issues in the squad, we all know that and there’s gonna be good and bad this season because of that. We could really do with getting in-front next week to settle us down so we need someone to step up get their finishing boots on.

I totally agree, I just meant that a lot of people are emotionally charged and sometimes a rational response isn't necessarily what you're going to get.

 

[jd1981]

The difference under Nuno and tbf Lage was we rarely got belted even when we were poor. Obviously frustrating in a different way, often turgid, but this calendar year we've taken more hammerings which is going to result in more anger

Plus it always kept us in games and meant we picked up points when they probably weren’t deserved.

 

[Mel Evo]

At this point in time I dont think its realistic to expect people to recognise and acknowledge past performances. Fans, especially those who were there yesterday, are going to react to the here and now. But yes, we have had games where we have looked absolute wank every season. Heck, I can remember even under Nuno in a good season, bad games. We looked absolutely clueless against a Huddersfield side that got relegated. Maybe a different kind of clueless, but still clueless.

The problem with this kind of read for me is that it veers towards the professional pundit approach to most teams outside the usual suspects: don’t watch the games, don’t follow the club closely, why are they getting ideas above their station, don’t they remember when they were sht? They should be playing Reading and grateful to do so. It just avoids addressing the real issues and resigns to fatalism. An actual management group (not GON) have made decisions they didn’t have to that have resulted in us being in this mess. Saying we were crap against Forest in the Championship when we started Rafa Mir doesn’t make me happier about throwing our Premier League status in the bin for seemingly no good reason.

 

[Dire Wolf]

That’s equal indication that the playing staff are below standard.
My gripe is with Fosun not GON yet, investment in players that have done nothing for the club and holding back with investment when it’s blatantly needed to avoid possible relegation.

That I can agree with. I just felt like you'd gone in with a knee high 2 footed challenge on O'Neil, as many others have done, which doesn't feel necessary. Yet.

 

[prawnking]

But there's been plenty of assessment and criticism of Fosun, Shi, our recruitment etc etc

On the matchday and verdict threads, where we're making sense of the actual games, why shouldn't we focus at times on the manager (praise or criticism or questioning), especially as he's a novice and therefore a fairly unknown quantity?

 

[Tony Towner]

So what would you have done instead?

I wouldn't have had Lemina or Gomes so high up the pitch at the same time, one sitting can still leave you overrun as we saw with Casemiro on Monday night, but gives a degree of protection. I'd have brought Sasa on for Fabio at ht because for me he was the biggest culprit of giving the ball away and (projection on my part) I think he'd help us to keep it better.

Ultimately I think 9/10 we would have lost to them irrespective of the tactics or personnel, they are just better than we are, which is why my ire is pointed in a different direction to the manager. However there will be things he saw in that game that he shouldn't repeat if he's up to scratch

 

[Dire Wolf]

The difference under Nuno and tbf Lage was we rarely got belted even when we were poor. Obviously frustrating in a different way, often turgid, but this calendar year we've taken more hammerings which is going to result in more anger

In 2 of Nuno's seasons we got belted 4-0 at West Ham and 5-2 against Chelsea where we fortunate to get 2. Bad results happen. We had a lot last year under Lopetegui, and the one yesterday feels like more of the same. But it is worth remembering that only Man City and Arsenal scored more goals than Brighton last season. If this becomes a pattern against less free scoring and attack minded teams then I'm fully on board the doom and gloom train. I think we have to wait and see if it becomes a pattern first.

 

[slink]

Before games people probably don’t but it’s the “there’s nothing we could’ve done” attitude after the event that I find annoying.

Who’s said there’s nothing we could have done. Individual errors cost us massively yesterday but so did our approach in the second half. We matched Brighton in the first half yesterday, we were set up pretty well. First 10 minutes of the second half, awful. Kick off was atrocious, why RAN started it at cdm just to hit it long towards Milner i have no idea and then we were just far too high in the press and the game was gone. There’s loads we could have done but there were promising bits in the first half.

 

[jd1981]

As someone said earlier in the thread the next two games are big indication of where we’re at. Personally think we need 4 points especially considering the next two home games.

 

[prawnking]

As someone said earlier in the thread the next two games are big indication of where we’re at.

Well if we're saying Utd and Brighton are big/good teams and finished above us last season to justify a couple of defeats then by that logic we should be beating Everton at Goodison for a start